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Bock
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:39 pm |
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I have this picture lying around since years... already posted but let's post it again.
I'm not sure where this come from, but I think it was some CES. Did someone attended CES around the nineties?
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Bock
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:43 pm |
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> I have this picture lying around since years... already posted but let's post it again.
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> I'm not sure where this come from, but I think it was some CES. Did someone attended CES around the nineties?
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The source is:
http://www.linkclub.or.jp/~nof-h/suka_sega/ippatu/msdisc/msdisc.html
It says, in Japanese:
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ファミコン通信 NO.12 P.7
ファミコン通信のマスターシステム（米）紹介の記事から。 アメリカの見本市の写真とかいうのでＣＥＳか何かだと思う。 モックアップだろうけどメガドラの２インチディスクよりも形になってる様な感じがする。 大きさを見ると３.５インチかな？ それにしてもセガのディスクはどれもこれも転けますな、これは何に使いたかったのかね？
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Looks like a picture from Famitsu issue 12, page 7.
Automated translation says:
From the report of master system (U.S.) introduction of the Family Computer communication. the photograph of the trade fair in the United States -- since it says, I think that they are CES or something He has a feeling which has a form from the 2 inch disk of けど MEGADORA which will be a mock-up. When a size is seen, it is 3.5 inch kana. Even so, for this 転けますな also in this, each disk of Sega is whether to have wanted to use for what.
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Raccoon Lad
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:30 pm |
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Cool!
I've heard rumors about a planned Disc system, but I never saw any pics :)
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Insomniac86
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:51 pm |
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Would it use the mysterious expansion port?
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Bock
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:38 am |
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> Would it use the mysterious expansion port?
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Yes. What would it do is that the SMS BIOS would boot to the ROM embedded into the disk system, and this ROM would communicate with the disk system hardware to read floppy data to RAM and then execute it (it would need to contains RAM just as the SF-7000).
The problem I can think of is that a floppy disk based program wouldn't be able to interact easily with the cartridge, or either way. It's somewhat possible using code stored in the regular SMS RAM, but retail SMS BIOS boots in priority on the cartridge, so if you plugged a cartridge it would boot on it and ignore the disk system.
So either you would have to hotplug the cartridge after booting the disc system (which often crash the system), either the cartridge would contains program code to access/enable the disc system part.
Don't know if I'm clear...
All it comes to, I think, is the tiny mistake of booting cartridge in priority to whats in the expansion port.
(and it annoy me everytime I want to dump a Japanese/Korean cartridge!)
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Paul Jensen
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:35 am |
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> It says, in Japanese:
> ファミコン通信 NO.12 P.7
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> ファミコン通信のマスターシステム（米）紹介の記事から。 アメリカの見本市の写真とかいうのでＣＥＳか何かだと思う。 モックアップだろうけどメガドラの２インチディスクよりも形になってる様な感じがする。 大きさを見ると３.５インチかな？ それにしてもセガのディスクはどれもこれも転けますな、これは何に使いたかったのかね？
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Famicon Tsuushin (Family Computer News), vol. 12, pp. 7
Introduction of the Master System (U.S.) from Famicon Tsuushin. I think it's a picture from an American trade show like CES or something. It's probably just a mock-up, but it looks to be more shaped (?? -- possibly meaning larger) than the Megadrive's 2-inch disk. Looking at the size, I'd say 3.5-inches, maybe? Even so, all of Sega's disk systems flopped. I wonder what they wanted to use this one for?
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That's roughly what it says.
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furanku
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:40 am |
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My guess it was somthing to do to compete with the family computer (NES) disk system.
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anagrama
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:24 am |
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That's really nice. First I've ever heard of it.
Maybe worth asking about it at Assembler? Some of the guys over there seem to be very in the know about unreleased Sega hardware...
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Maxim
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:42 am |
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> All it comes to, I think, is the tiny mistake of booting cartridge in priority to whats in the expansion port.
> (and it annoy me everytime I want to dump a Japanese/Korean cartridge!)
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A possibility: if you have the disk system plugged in, you don't have a cartridge plugged in, so the disk system boots. If you want to play a cartridge game, you don't want to have to unplug the disk system, so the cartridge should get priority.
Under what circumstances were you thinking that the disk system should boot when a cartridge is inserted? The solution would, of course, be to have the disk system take priority and its BIOS detect a cartridge and run it if necessary.
Maxim
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PrOfUnD Darkness
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:16 pm |
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This so cool, too bad the SMS bombed on Japan and this kind of stuff never were released...
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> I have this picture lying around since years... already posted but let's post it again.
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> I'm not sure where this come from, but I think it was some CES. Did someone attended CES around the nineties?
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Maxim
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:55 pm |
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> This so cool, too bad the SMS bombed on Japan and this kind of stuff never were released...
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All I've heard suggests it was announced in the US, perhaps in an attempt to get some attention - but most were almost certainly announced before they were developed, and would only be developed if there was enough interest.
There are a few other things in that ancient "Master System FAQ" that never made it:
Sega of America announced a "Graphics Board" (a drawing pad, with images appearing on your television screen) and a 3.5" disk drive with the SMS' introduction, but neither accessory was released.
Sounds like the Terebi Oekaki, and the disk system pictured.
Tonka announced a few peripherals in their '88 "Let the Games Begin" catalog.
Does anyone have a copy of this? Scans would be nice :)
Maxim
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PrOfUnD Darkness
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:33 pm |
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> All I've heard suggests it was announced in the US, perhaps in an attempt to get some attention - but most were almost certainly announced before they were developed, and would only be developed if there was enough interest.
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I didn't knew that, very interesting. The same happened with the Mega Drive. On the US press-release SEGA announced the Telemodem too.
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> Does anyone have a copy of this? Scans would be nice :)
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That Lucky Dime Caper Limited Edition is sweet :)
PD
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Wiseduck
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:41 am |
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> I didn't knew that, very interesting. The same happened with the Mega Drive. On the US press-release SEGA announced the Telemodem too.
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I don`t know if you do, but here in Brazil Tec Toy actually released a modem for Mega Drive. A friend of mine got one. Don`t know if he still have it.
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PrOfUnD Darkness
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:05 pm |
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Yes I know, I have it :)
BTW, TecToy released 3 versions of that modem: Mega Net, Mega Net 2 and BradescoNet.
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> I don`t know if you do, but here in Brazil Tec Toy actually released a modem for Mega Drive. A friend of mine got one. Don`t know if he still have it.
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adaml
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:09 am |
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> I have this picture lying around since years... already posted but let's post it again.
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> I'm not sure where this come from, but I think it was some CES. Did someone attended CES around the nineties?
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Clint Dyer would most likely know the most about this SMS Disk System. I *think* I last saw him on the Digital Press boards about a year ago...could be wrong. I won some SMS auctions from him years ago, but have not had any contact with him for awhile. Nice guy.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:05 pm |
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If anyone can get there hands on that Disk System, I would gladly buy it off them for NZ$500, NZ$600 if it has a box and manual. Also I have NX$30 for any info that leads me to getting it. Get in touch with me at windos_matrix@msn.com
Thanks,
Windos
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Kenneth
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:44 pm |
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LoL
I guess if someone here could put his hands on this thing, he would be glad to throw a couple of thousands euros in it (well, I would certainly)
500 NZ bucks. LoL |
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Emuaust
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:33 pm |
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$500NZD with exchange rates that what, like $30usd?
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paul_
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:24 am |
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$500NZD with exchange rates that what, like $30usd?
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Haha :-P |
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anagrama
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:22 am |
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| I'll offer NZ$501 ;) |
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