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Hi all - I'm having a clear out and came across a French SMS 2, which as you know is Secam rather than Pal or NTSC.

I do have the RGB Secam cable (Model 3085) but the lead is faulty as I can get sound from the unit but no picture.

If the lead was working, would it display a black & white picture like it would with a Brazilian MS on a PAL TV?

I also came across a Master System Super Compact which displays a black & white picture but no sound! I got quite a good picture from the unit with an aerial lead, so I'm not sure why there isn't sound! Any ideas on this one guys?

Cheers!

French systems are not SECAM, they are 50Hz RGB. It will work on any TV that can handle RGB at 50Hz - apparently it was common for European TVs to have RGB (SCART) and handle 50Hz and 60Hz but American ones would rarely do these things.

Maxim wrote

French systems are not SECAM, they are 50Hz RGB.

Ok so should display in full colour on a PAL TV then?

Yes, unless your TV doesn't support RGB.

Thanks, I can select RGB on my TV but like I say I just get sound, just need a replacement cable I think.

Are you plugging it into the Component input of your TV by chance? Because unless it's a SCART connector the red, green, blue coloured RCA inputs on modern TV's are component (YPbPr) inputs and not actually RBG.

The MS Compact will probably be PAL-M and won't work on Euro PAL TVs, giving the monochrome picture with no sound that you describe.

segasonic wrote

The MS Compact will probably be PAL-M and won't work on Euro PAL TVs, giving the monochrome picture with no sound that you describe.

I have a SMS Handy which plays in black and white, but has sound. I'm not sure if something internal sound capacities or whatever is inside is faulty!

Has anyone else in Europe with a MS Compact had a similar problem?

asynchronous wrote

Are you plugging it into the Component input of your TV by chance? Because unless it's a SCART connector the red, green, blue coloured RCA inputs on modern TV's are component (YPbPr) inputs and not actually RBG.

The Sega RGB cable model 3085 is fitted with a scart socket to plug into a TV. I have selected RGB input on the TV too. It would be good to know if someone with a RGB Model SMS in the UK gets a picture on a PAL TV.

I've found a few on Ebay but they are expensive as most people in France won't ship to the UK. I'm not sure if it's worth the gamble buying a replacement anyway!

The French RVB cable is the best RGB cable because the box has the right stuff in it to convert the voltage levels. It’s good for all SMS1s including Japanese ones.

I've just found some RGB cables in my loft and I can only get sound out of the MS 2, so I'm assuming I have a faulty SMS Console.

The RGB lead I got with the system works great on my other consoles. I never thought it might have been the console.

I've opened up and apart from the rusty shielding inside I can't see anything obvious wrong with it. Might be a good project for someone to fix it.

I don't want to throw it away, let me know if somebody would like the console...

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Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Advice on French Master System 2/ MS Super Compact Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:07 am
Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Hi all - I'm having a clear out and came across a French SMS 2, which as you know is Secam rather than Pal or NTSC. I do have the RGB Secam cable (Model 3085) but the lead is faulty as I can get sound from the unit but no picture. If the lead was working, would it display a black & white picture like it would with a Brazilian MS on a PAL TV? I also came across a Master System Super Compact which displays a black & white picture but no sound! I got quite a good picture from the unit with an aerial lead, so I'm not sure why there isn't sound! Any ideas on this one guys? Cheers!

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14745 Location: London	Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:17 pm Last edited by Maxim on Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:19 pm; edited 1 time in total
	French systems are not SECAM, they are 50Hz RGB. It will work on any TV that can handle RGB at 50Hz - apparently it was common for European TVs to have RGB (SCART) and handle 50Hz and 60Hz but American ones would rarely do these things.

Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:19 pm
Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Maxim wrote French systems are not SECAM, they are 50Hz RGB. Ok so should display in full colour on a PAL TV then?

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14745 Location: London	Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:20 pm
	Yes, unless your TV doesn't support RGB.

Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:24 pm
Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Thanks, I can select RGB on my TV but like I say I just get sound, just need a replacement cable I think.

asynchronous Joined: 14 Aug 2000 Posts: 742 Location: Adelaide, Australia	Advice on French Master System 2/ MS Super Compact Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:25 am
	Are you plugging it into the Component input of your TV by chance? Because unless it's a SCART connector the red, green, blue coloured RCA inputs on modern TV's are component (YPbPr) inputs and not actually RBG.

segasonic Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Sheffield, England	Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:18 am
	The MS Compact will probably be PAL-M and won't work on Euro PAL TVs, giving the monochrome picture with no sound that you describe.

Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:01 am
Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	segasonic wrote The MS Compact will probably be PAL-M and won't work on Euro PAL TVs, giving the monochrome picture with no sound that you describe. I have a SMS Handy which plays in black and white, but has sound. I'm not sure if something internal sound capacities or whatever is inside is faulty! Has anyone else in Europe with a MS Compact had a similar problem?

Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:06 am
Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	asynchronous wrote Are you plugging it into the Component input of your TV by chance? Because unless it's a SCART connector the red, green, blue coloured RCA inputs on modern TV's are component (YPbPr) inputs and not actually RBG. The Sega RGB cable model 3085 is fitted with a scart socket to plug into a TV. I have selected RGB input on the TV too. It would be good to know if someone with a RGB Model SMS in the UK gets a picture on a PAL TV. I've found a few on Ebay but they are expensive as most people in France won't ship to the UK. I'm not sure if it's worth the gamble buying a replacement anyway!

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14745 Location: London	Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:08 pm
	The French RVB cable is the best RGB cable because the box has the right stuff in it to convert the voltage levels. It’s good for all SMS1s including Japanese ones.

Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:42 pm
Phil Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 281	I've just found some RGB cables in my loft and I can only get sound out of the MS 2, so I'm assuming I have a faulty SMS Console. The RGB lead I got with the system works great on my other consoles. I never thought it might have been the console. I've opened up and apart from the rusty shielding inside I can't see anything obvious wrong with it. Might be a good project for someone to fix it. I don't want to throw it away, let me know if somebody would like the console...

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