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I love BMP2Tile...but, if I want to have several similar bitmaps and generate tilemaps from them, then I also have a different set of tiles for each map, despite that I might have been able to reuse a lot of the tiles for each map.

Ideally, I'd be able to load say N bitmaps, and have it produce 1 tileset, and N maps. As I can't see a way to do that I've been hacking up a python script that will take N map files, and N tiles files and make a unique set of tiles and rewrite the N maps so that they reference the 1 unique tile set. Does that seem a decent way of doing it?

Or are their other tools I should use?

It's not designed as a tilemap tool. I have some ideas for extending it a bit to allow exporting tilemaps from only part of the image each time, but that isn't as good as a proper editor and a metatile layer.

I'd love to see a tutorial for one of the tilemap tools like Tiled and Mappy. BMP2Tile still has a place in the graphics conversion.

Given that you can prepare your tiles archive, you can use Mappy or Tiled to build maps. Then you convert the tiles with Maxim's tool and you could roll your own for maps...

Maxim wrote

It's not designed as a tilemap tool. I have some ideas for extending it a bit to allow exporting tilemaps from only part of the image each time, but that isn't as good as a proper editor and a metatile layer.

When I say "tilemap", I don't mean scrolling maps, just a single 32x24 screen. I want to be able to take multiple 256x192 images and create a single set of tiles from them, with each "tilemap" references those tiles. This is what my python script should accomplish when its done. I'll post the script once its finished hopefully you can see what I mean.

Is it maybe a little like Bock's 'dictionary' for his KunKun games?

Bock wrote

The idea is that I had a second "map" where each unique 8x8 block represent a collision data. It goes into Bmp2Title to which I gave a giant image composed of multiple screens. The first screens contains my "dictionary", one of each tile in a known order that matches the values in the code. To be honest this is only a workaround for having a competent level editor but it worked quite neatly. In my drawing app I have one visual layer and one collision layer

You can make a mega-image consisting of all your screens, and then have BMP2Tile process the mega image...?

It is discussed here: http://www.smspower.org/forums/14903-BlockQuestTowardsKnightsOfTheRoundForTheSMS#80854

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You can make a mega-image consisting of all your screens, and then have BMP2Tile process the mega image...?

Ah, silly me, I didn't realise it was that easy! Cool.

hang-on wrote

You can make a mega-image consisting of all your screens, and then have BMP2Tile process the mega image...?

That is actually exactly the way I created the screen layouts for Bruce lee. I stacked all the screens that used the same tileset vertically on top of each other, then converted the image with BMP2Tile. If there were tiles that weren't visible in the default layout (like the open mouth of the pig-cow-statue) I put them in the last row underneath, so they would be included in the tileset. The screens that use the sprite palette for certain tiles needed some thinking around corners to make it work, though.

The logic maps for the individual screens, which contain the information whether tiles are walls, floors, spikes, etc. on the other hand I prepared as individaul files which all shared the same Bock-style dictionary in the first row.

Kagesan wrote

The logic maps for the individual screens, which contain the information whether tiles are walls, floors, spikes, etc. on the other hand I prepared as individaul files which all shared the same Bock-style dictionary in the first row.

The collision maps are cool, haven't made anything complicated enough to need them yet but I can see how that would work. I'm working on porting the arcade version of Burgertime as a follow up to Bloki, but I haven't used maps so far, instead planned to use a linked-list like structure of platforms and ladders, of course burgertime is a lot simpler because its just horizontal platforms linked by vertical ladders.

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tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	BMP2Tile Question Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:14 pm
tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	I love BMP2Tile...but, if I want to have several similar bitmaps and generate tilemaps from them, then I also have a different set of tiles for each map, despite that I might have been able to reuse a lot of the tiles for each map. Ideally, I'd be able to load say N bitmaps, and have it produce 1 tileset, and N maps. As I can't see a way to do that I've been hacking up a python script that will take N map files, and N tiles files and make a unique set of tiles and rewrite the N maps so that they reference the 1 unique tile set. Does that seem a decent way of doing it? Or are their other tools I should use?

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14763 Location: London	Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:25 pm
	It's not designed as a tilemap tool. I have some ideas for extending it a bit to allow exporting tilemaps from only part of the image each time, but that isn't as good as a proper editor and a metatile layer. I'd love to see a tutorial for one of the tilemap tools like Tiled and Mappy. BMP2Tile still has a place in the graphics conversion.

sverx Joined: 05 Sep 2013 Posts: 3865 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:06 am
	Given that you can prepare your tiles archive, you can use Mappy or Tiled to build maps. Then you convert the tiles with Maxim's tool and you could roll your own for maps...

tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:16 am
tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	Maxim wrote It's not designed as a tilemap tool. I have some ideas for extending it a bit to allow exporting tilemaps from only part of the image each time, but that isn't as good as a proper editor and a metatile layer. When I say "tilemap", I don't mean scrolling maps, just a single 32x24 screen. I want to be able to take multiple 256x192 images and create a single set of tiles from them, with each "tilemap" references those tiles. This is what my python script should accomplish when its done. I'll post the script once its finished hopefully you can see what I mean.

hang-on Joined: 23 Mar 2013 Posts: 611 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark	Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:15 am
	Is it maybe a little like Bock's 'dictionary' for his KunKun games? Bock wrote The idea is that I had a second "map" where each unique 8x8 block represent a collision data. It goes into Bmp2Title to which I gave a giant image composed of multiple screens. The first screens contains my "dictionary", one of each tile in a known order that matches the values in the code. To be honest this is only a workaround for having a competent level editor but it worked quite neatly. In my drawing app I have one visual layer and one collision layer You can make a mega-image consisting of all your screens, and then have BMP2Tile process the mega image...? It is discussed here: http://www.smspower.org/forums/14903-BlockQuestTowardsKnightsOfTheRoundForTheSMS#80854

tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:43 am
tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	Quote You can make a mega-image consisting of all your screens, and then have BMP2Tile process the mega image...? Ah, silly me, I didn't realise it was that easy! Cool.

Kagesan Joined: 01 Feb 2014 Posts: 888	Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:51 pm
Kagesan Joined: 01 Feb 2014 Posts: 888	hang-on wrote You can make a mega-image consisting of all your screens, and then have BMP2Tile process the mega image...? That is actually exactly the way I created the screen layouts for Bruce lee. I stacked all the screens that used the same tileset vertically on top of each other, then converted the image with BMP2Tile. If there were tiles that weren't visible in the default layout (like the open mouth of the pig-cow-statue) I put them in the last row underneath, so they would be included in the tileset. The screens that use the sprite palette for certain tiles needed some thinking around corners to make it work, though. The logic maps for the individual screens, which contain the information whether tiles are walls, floors, spikes, etc. on the other hand I prepared as individaul files which all shared the same Bock-style dictionary in the first row.

tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:27 pm
tripledonkey Joined: 08 Nov 2014 Posts: 92	Kagesan wrote The logic maps for the individual screens, which contain the information whether tiles are walls, floors, spikes, etc. on the other hand I prepared as individaul files which all shared the same Bock-style dictionary in the first row. The collision maps are cool, haven't made anything complicated enough to need them yet but I can see how that would work. I'm working on porting the arcade version of Burgertime as a follow up to Bloki, but I haven't used maps so far, instead planned to use a linked-list like structure of platforms and ladders, of course burgertime is a lot simpler because its just horizontal platforms linked by vertical ladders.

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