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[VGM Pack] Trivial Pursuit
Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:39 pm Last edited by Maxim on Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:15 pm; edited 3 times in total |
http://www.smspower.org/Music/TrivialPursuit-SMS
At 259 tracks and over 45 minutes, this is the largest VGM pack we're ever likely to get. Unfortunately it sounds pretty bad :) |
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:46 pm |
So I've ripped the music from Trivial Pursuit in an unusual way - I reverse engineered the music engine and reimplemented it in JavaScript, and used that to dump out all the tracks directly to VGM format.
The problem is, there's loads of tracks, many unused ones, some duplicates, and most importantly - no titles for many of them! In particular, some are associated with unhelpful questions, and some are completely unmatched with the questions! As far as I can tell, the Spanish music questions are just completely broken most of the time (plays "The Star Spangled Banner", asks "what is the capital of this country", answer is "Moscow"), so I have not even tried to label them with the questions (files starting with 5). The rest, I've either identified (but confirmation is welcome), added a clue from the game, or left unlabelled. So, here comes the biggest VGM pack I've ever seen, 257 files, over 42 minutes of music - and I didn't even rip the actual music yet! tl;dr: Please help identify the tracks. Knowledge of classical music will help a lot, as will familiarity with 70s musicals and 50s pop music. |
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:19 pm |
7f16c - Bach: Cantata, BWV 147, Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
7e4ff - same as above, but with higher pitch / faster tempo? 7dcb3 - Au clair de la lune (French folk song) 5f580 - Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik 5f658 - sounds like Edvard Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King 5ef20 - sounds like Johannes Brahms - Lullaby 5f1a4 - Piotr Ilich Tchaikovsky - Waltz of the Flowers from "The Nutcracker" 5e9ae - sounds like My Bonnie Lies over the Ocean (Scottish folk song) 5e72c - Beethoven - Fur Elise Will try to add more when I get time :) |
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:38 am |
Building on...
5e7a1: sounds like a broken Can-Can (which makes sense, since it's in one of the (Spanish) questions) 5eb64: this one is weird, because it's definitely Hungarian Dance Number 2 (see at 5:59 mark of this video), yet one of the answers is Hungarian Dance Number 5 (which is, as you already identified, 7dd0c, so I don't know what's going on here) 5ebf4: Moonlight Sonata, also used in the Thexder videogame 5f08c: Vivaldi - Primavera (or Spring, if you don't speak Italian) 5f131: Госуда́рственный гимн Сове́тского Сою́за 7c52f: Death of a Clown 7e56b: Ode to Joy 7eff4: this is Für Elise as well, just slower I can also confirm 5e72c, 5ef20 (which is the same source tune as 7dd56, but arranged differently), 5f1a4, 5f580, 5f658, 7e4ff, and 7f16c, from the post above. Ok, after ~one hour of repeated edits, I think this is it. |
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:55 am |
Thanks guys, I'll merge them in and upload again, maybe this time splitting by identified and not. There is a lot of redundancy and the same tune twice with different arrangements in there, I find it hard to keep track. Sometimes I went on a Wikipedia dive to label the music by its original name, where it got recycled, but may not have ended in a consistent place all the time.
Another side note - I think the Spanish ones are offset by one from their questions at one point, which would explain the mismatch and potentially help bring in the questions as clues. I might not have got the Also Sprach Zarathustra one without knowing it was there from another question. But many of the questions are unhelpful or only identify the genre or composer or country. Some suggest various national anthems are present. Some seem to say they are played backwards, which is bizarre. There's also a few where the question isn't Spanish (7xxxx numbers), and identifies the music - but then I'm pretty sure it's wrong. These are labelled with a (!), and need some figuring out. |
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:57 pm |
Update: I sorted out the Spanish questions (they were all off by one), which gave me a few hours of clues to follow. An updated zip will be coming soon. | |
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:52 pm |
Here's the update. I've gone through every question and generated some clues in the titles wherever possible, but there are about 50 with no clue at all because they're unused.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:53 pm |
Got another one...
5e5fe - Niccolò Paganini - Moto perpetuo.vgm 5e7a1 is a Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody, but which one? Is it another part of 2? 7d6a5, 7d70a, 7d7c5, 7d872, 7d945, 7d9f3, 7da3c and 7db4b are in a large block of nursery rhymes - so they are probably nursery rhymes too. |
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:26 pm |
You're right, I can't believe I was wrong about 5e7a1 before, it's not the Can-Can, it's indeed another part of Hungarian Rhapsody Number 2, I don't know what I was thinking, I saw the Can-Can in the questions and I got misled, good thing that you didn't fall for it. | |
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:41 am |
Getting the questions fixed helped a lot, it told me Liszt and Hungary which is most of the way there. | |
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:03 pm |
7da3c is "Sur le Pont d'Avignon" ("On the Bridge of Avignon"), a classic French nursery rhyme. | |
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 4:59 pm |
I remember the duck (AKA Question Master) playing on the piano an excerpt of "My Best Friend's Girl", from The Cars. Maybe some of the remaining unknown tunes are pop songs too. | |
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:53 pm |
Not very sure, but 7d70a perhaps is the lullaby known as "It's Raining, It's Pouring". Check the final moments of The Simpsons 3x09: the mockery song Bart & Homer do at Nelson uses this melody.
7dc86 is an excerpt of Scotland The Brave (or at least, I remember this little part sounds on the Highland Tribe of Lemmings 2) 7e294 is a well known classical music piece, but unfortunately, I don't remember now its name or composer. I'll search about it. Now, let's go to the songs of which I am 100% sure to know: 7dd9a - Bach - Minuet In G Major - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on1DDSLdDOo 7eef4 - Beethoven - Bagatelle No. 25 in A minor for solo piano [AKA Für Elise] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVW8tgGY_w 7e56b - Beethoven - 9th Symphony - Movevent IV [AKA Ode To Joy] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdWyYn0E4Ys All Hail The King!: 7c5c4 - Elvis Presley - (You're The) Devil In Disguise - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyK_GbGuxyA 7c6f3 - Elvis Presley - Don't Cry Daddy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gx4kPDW0w 7c8a3 - Elvis Presley - Good Luck Charm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gx4kPDW0w 7c12b - Elvis Presley - Any Way You Want Me (That's How I Will Be) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAL3IOV0kF0 7c997 - Elvis Presley - (Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59pOE3OmUi8 7ca86 - Elvis Presley - If I Can Dream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA142IsjQiE[/u] 7d088 - Elvis Presley - Return To Sender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZmUfUBqE-s[/u] 7d271 - Elvis Presley - (Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDbk-egHH4 |
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:15 am |
Great, thanks! I'm diverted with some another project now, after which I intend to try to rip the normal soundtrack so I can package it up, with however many unidentified tracks there are left. | |
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:09 pm Last edited by Ron_Stard on Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
A few more songs:
5ee3e - Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Sleeping Beauty: Grande valse villageoise (AKA The Garland Waltz) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihVvBCCvA5Y 5ec61 - Anton Karas - The Third Man - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEsWi88Qv0 5ebf4 - Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU 5e72c - Beethoven - Bagatelle No. 25 in A minor for solo piano (again)[AKA Für Elise] - 5f1a4 - Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Waltz Of Flowers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uljlL0ScpYA 5f5ae - Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Trepak - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2ISRMSIyX8 5f25f - Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - 1812 Overture - https://youtu.be/VbxgYlcNxE8?t=839 5f39a - O Canada - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwDvF0NtgdU 7dece - Ivor Novello - Keep the Home Fires Burning - [url] 5f658 - Edvard Grieg - In The Hall Of The Mountain King - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp_Hh6DKWc 5f697 - Sergei Prokofiev - Romeo And Juliette: Dance Of The Knights - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_hOR50u7ek 7d2c6 - Elvis Presley - That's Alright Mama - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmopYuF4BzY |
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:01 pm |
Two more identified songs:
7e294 - Frédéric Chopin - Polonaise in A flat major "Heroic" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU2UkwT3so 7e2c9 - Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Romeo & Juliette - Love Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VMCiewc7mE |
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:08 pm |
It's actually "The Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond" - Many of the above were already identified - be sure to use the latest pack. This update contains only the remaining 67 (!) unidentified songs, with clues where possible. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:36 am |
Thank you, didn't know about that tune. Maybe the SMS/GG Lemmings 2 VGM pack should be corrected with this new info. 7c69a is "Don't Be Cruel", made famous (again) by Elvis Presley I'l check the rest of them, maybe the clues will give some useful info. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:00 am |
I think the Lemmings songs are medleys, but should probably be updated to list the contained titles. | |
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:38 am Last edited by Tom on Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:36 am; edited 3 times in total |
7d159: I can't believe I didn't recognize it sooner, it's Something's Happening; while I never heard the English version (and I didn't know there was one until a few minutes ago), it's a cover of a quite famous Italian song.
By the way, this is also how I recognized 7c52f the last time, except it's the other way around (the Italian version is the cover of the English one). In both cases, I looked for the Italian songs on Google and Wikipedia, and I easily retrieved the titles of their English counterparts. 7e4bf: Пётр Ильич Чайковский - Piano Concerto 1 in B Flat Minor (from 00:15 in the video) 5e927: it's a stretch, but it does sound like Hush, Little Baby, even though that's not a British song, so you can probably disregard this. 7d70a: if this isn't the Haribo jingle, then it might be Ring A Ring O'Roses, but it's even more of a stretch than the previous one. I think I'm done here, anything from now on would be catching at straws. But hey, the first two songs I identified in this post are correct :P edit: Maxim posted while I was repeatedly editing this post, so I didn't see it until now. Still, I don't think there are more songs I can identify. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:12 am |
Great! If it's any help, the song list seems to be partially ordered and grouped. The Elvis songs are almost all together in an alphabetical list with mostly other 1950s and 1960s songs, for example:
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:08 am |
It's good you've mention that! Look: 7c323 is [The] Boy From New York City, by The Ad Libs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svztw0okXKY EDIT - More additions based on alphabet: 7d3b4 - Dionne Warwick - Walk On By - https://youtu.be/ijhL9Y7skQs?t=77 [the video starts at the very exact moment the VGM does] 7d49f - Elvis Presley - Wooden Heart - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02t8vKLtbw 7d507 - Cilla Black - You're My World - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7-QBw862zk |
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:50 pm Last edited by Ron_Stard on Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
Another two songs identified thanks to the alphabet; you wouldn't guess from WHO they are... XD!
7c605 - Elvis Presley - Don't - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_IEho5uedM 7c751 - Elvis Presley - Don't Leave Me Now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6-OikhPqsA And I'm not 100% sure, but 7cc7b sounds like the King Creole chorus, but on a deeper scale (0:22 to 0:27 in the following video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hKp63cBhak The music composer of this game was definitely a die-hard fan of The King! :D |
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:59 pm |
I guess licence costs may be important. It's weird how much was unused though. The music is by Matt Furniss, I guess he did the arrangements here, but surely driven by the question set instead of his own taste.
I'm crediting the songwriters for all the tracks, Elvis appears only in "as made famous by" notes... |
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:32 pm |
Yes, I know you are interested in the songwriters; sorry for not put them directly here. Elvis hardly could appear here as a composer: he was a great singer, but he didn't write any of his greatest hits, which is very strange... I've heard he was legitimately credited as a co-writer and arranger in just 2 of the +700 songs he sang, but none of them were Top 50 on the Billboard. By the way, 7d02b sounds (again) similar to another song Elvis made famous: Mystery Train - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_eE0NPArEY . But as with the case with King Creole (see my previous post), I'm not 100% sure of this. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:27 am |
Here's an update with the named and unnamed tracks, and the in-game music (there's only two tracks). I didn't check out the uncertain ones above yet, but I did identify a few more nursery rhymes...
Also I found some issues with Unicode handling in vgm_tag which need some manual fixing. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:04 pm |
I could identify three more songs:
7cf78 - Edith Piaf - Milord - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwe3CzWZ4Bg (Composed by Marguerite Monnot and Georges Moustaki) 7c3a7 - Andy Williams - Can't Get Used to Losing You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO_vKrVxGJM (Composed by Doc Pomus and Mort Shuman) 7e9c6 - Robin Lamont - Day By Day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWQEUzOACm4 (Composed by Stephen Schwartz for the musical "Godspell"; Robin Lamont sings this song in the movie based on it) |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:28 pm |
When you finish the game, it starts to sound one more melody (it's brief, but it repeats until you press any button). |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:20 pm |
Hmm, I didn't find it when I worked through all the data. I'll have another look. | |
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:52 pm |
You left this one in the unknown ones:
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:42 pm |
Yes, indeed, Maxim forgot to list your identified song. I've asked in another forum about some of the unknown songs, and I've received some successful guessings! 7e1c0 is the 2nd Movement from Haydn's Symphony Nº 94, "Surprise": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLjwkamp3lI 7e91d is Sunrise, Sunset from the movie and musical Fiddler In The Roof: https://youtu.be/pp8GEytgdZA?t=66 (Composed by Jerry Bock & Sheldon Harnick) 7e5a8 is Chopin's Prelude Op. 28 No. 7 in A major: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLU4wgtpjGs 5ecb3 is Beethoven's Minuet In G: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSXRJwspGU0 7e1f4 is Mozart's Piano Sonata No. 11 in A major, K. 331 - I. Andante grazioso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9KWQ8hAYk[/b] Maybe some more responses will keep on arriving on the thread I created in that forum. I wonder if there is a way to credit the users that helped us to identify these songs (I intentionally avoided publishing the URL of that site, because I feared of being accused of spam). |
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:32 pm |
You're welcome to post the URL. I can list helpers in the description text file for the pack, and on the pack page. | |
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:41 am |
I also think it sounds like that - but it is thought to be an American song.
Too much of a stretch for me. I think I'm caught up with the rest now - I have 209/256 tracks identified, which is 82%. Only 38 to go... |
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:56 pm |
Thanks. The forum where I asked about the unknown tunes is https://www.talkclassical.com, and the thread I opened there is this: https://www.talkclassical.com/55797-help-me-identifying-these.html |
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:20 pm |
Another song from The King on the unused set:
7c0e0 - Elvis Presley - Anything That's Part Of You - Composed by Don Robertson. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:25 pm |
The pack has been posted at the top of this thread, with 46 tracks remaining unidentified. Corrections are welcome! | |
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:20 am |
Not sure if this is intentional, but...There seems to be a capital "I" which shouldn't be there. |
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:43 am |
This, and a few other inconsistencies, is now fixed. | |
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:30 pm |
I have identified another song! The former 7d3ff (currently #138) is the beautiful Waterloo Sunset by The Kinks (the Trivial Pursuit excerpt spans from 0:35 to 0:50 in the following link):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_MqfF0WBsU Composed by Ray Davies, obviously =) And after listening carefully to both of them, and as I suspect in previous posts, definitely #114 must be King Creole (Leiber & Stoller), & #125 must be Mystery Train (Junior Parker). |
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:35 pm |
Another five "kinky" tunes!
-Track #079 (the former 7c1d4) is Autumn Almanac, again by Ray Davies, leader of The Kinks (Trivial Pursuit excerpt spans from 0:21 to 0:33 in the following link): https://youtu.be/N3VDATV6dmY?t=21 -The former 7c4cd (now track #088) is another Ray Davies song, Days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2svmUcsKeg -The third appeareance by Ray and the Kinks comes in the former 7c4fb, which now is #089: Dead End Street (from 0:49 on beyond): https://youtu.be/4NBDvXpsBzk?t=49 -And you wouldn't believe it, but 7c175 (#077) is another classic by The Kinks, although a little bit harder to identify - Apeman (from 1:07 on beyond): https://youtu.be/aRHqs8SffDo?t=67 -'Till The End Of The Day was arranged as 7d30a, and now is #134: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIc-RnqjwWA |
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:27 pm |
Wow, I had wondered about the number of Kinks songs but there's plenty more now. I wonder why so many were produced, these are pretty obscure songs and how many kids in the 90s would know all this music from their parents' generation? | |
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:14 pm |
The lyrics of these selected Kinks songs are sometimes strange and sometimes funny (I'm thinking about lines like "Oh, my poor rheumatic back / Yes, yes, yes, it's my autumn almanac" and "I think I'm so educated and I'm so civilized 'cause I'm a strict vegetarian"). But all these tracks -except for "Days"- became Top Ten hits in UK back in the day, and some of them also charted on the US Billboard, so they seem not to be quite obscure songs. There are still 13 "pop" songs which remain unidentified in the alphabetical list you posted some time ago, and which I have updated:
I can confirm that there are no more tracks from Elvis nor from The Kinks, since I have listened every possible hit song based on the alphabet for both artists, and their possible songs didn't match with the remaining 13 "pop" tracks. I'll have a look to the Burt Bacharach full catalogue, since his name is repeated on the list. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:19 am |
Let's go with Fiddler On The Roof unknown tracks:
The former 7e7ba (now #229) is an excerpt of Tradition, from the movie and musical I've mention before (from 1:48 to 2:00 in the following video): https://youtu.be/gRdfX7ut8gw?t=108 And the former 7e76b (#228) is another excerpt of the same song (from 2:59 to 3:10): https://youtu.be/gRdfX7ut8gw?t=179 Last, the old 7e8b9 (now #230) is the beginning of Sunrise, Sunset (there is another excerpt from this song already identified on the Trivial Pursuit soundtrack, which centers on the chorus). Starts from 2:15 on beyond: https://youtu.be/03rzUoyq9K0?t=135 Both songs composed by Jerry Bock and Sheldon Harnick. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:56 pm |
Pack version 0.92 should have all the above titles corrected. | |
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:39 am |
Bit hard to track if these were identied yet but anyway:
#153 Sounds an awful lot like a Dutch children's song ('Klikspaan, boterspaan') (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsM4Ew3Wmbg) #166 Also a children's song...tip of my tongue. I will get back on that. #226 Muss i Denn (Elvis but based on a German folk song) #244 Go tell it on the mountain |
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:34 pm |
Muss I Denn was adapted as Wooden Heart for Elvis, and is already there at #141. But 226 is an Elvis region.
145-186 are all children's songs, some specific to certain countries, so your guess is plausible. 244 fits the hymn/carol songs around it. I'll confirm these by ear later... |
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:23 pm |
I agree with #226 and #244. #226 was the former 7e6b7, and it's identical to the Wooden Heart I identified back in the day, but in a different scale. Since it wasn't on the "pop songs" list, I overlooked it. Maxim: If you are going to release an updated VGM pack of this game, please, correct the name of #210 (indeed, it's from a love scene, but this excerpt is from the Romeo And Juliet orchestal work by Tchaikovski, and that should be its name). And it still lacks the ending tune (from 13:11 on beyond in the following link): https://youtu.be/JwRSKAIREqY?t=791 And also the right and wrong answers, and the wedge winning melody tunes. Right answer tune here in 4:11 to 4:12 : https://youtu.be/JwRSKAIREqY?t=251 Wedge winning melody (with caws from the bird) from 5:02 to 5:04: https://youtu.be/JwRSKAIREqY?t=301 And the wrong answer tune here, at 1:06: https://youtu.be/h_5H0xBrOFQ?t=66 I can rip them If you need help =) |
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:08 pm |
Two more suggestions with some help from my parents;
#136 - KC & The Sunshine band - Please don't go #202 - Felix Powell - Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag |
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:53 pm |
#153 seems to be a better match for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_Rain_Go_Away as the tune diverges just at the end.
#136 I think is not right, it is a partial match but the title doesn't fit the alphabetical sequence it's in (between Tonight and Walk) and the tune does diverge a bit. #202, 226, 244 are all good, and I added the original title to the other Wooden Heart track. I don't think the right/wrong answer and winning a wedge sounds qualify as music; the game winning one is probably worth including - I'm happy to take your rip. The pack is updated with all the above... 31 tracks left. |
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:39 pm |
Here it is! Perhaps you should crop it before the melody repeats, I've recorded accidentally one reprise. |
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