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Like Calypso is now fast, some people asked me to put in them a slowdown routine, but all things made by my are
incorrect or don´t work very well.

With a fixed delay you don´t correct the problem, since the Z80 engine and the VDP render spendts differetns
times. With a variable timing, the emulator is too slow.

¿How to make a good timing routine, like BrSMS or Meka ? Anyone have a goo idea?

I think that you should just have a user-selectable amount of slowdown, like in Masssage. I like to play some of my SMS games at around 150%-175%
~unfnknblvbl

Yes. It can be a good solution. The problem is that a user selectable amount slowdown will not
correct the problem, since both Z80 and VDP engines don´t spent regular intervals of time.

Massage calculates the time by executin a small Z80 program and measuring the time this spents.
It calculates both frameskip and frameskipless times. It is not too dificult.

Thanks for give ideas.

Saludos,
Jose Manuel

Are you aware that the only emulators that correctly run Road Rash for the Master System are Meka and your very own Calypso.
I find that very strange, as they are the newst SMS emulators out (that I know of), and they seem to have the highest compatability rate!
Anyway, why do you want to put in a slowdown routine? I need to put both Calypso and Meka in Frameskip 7 to run Road Rash at 100% on my P133/32MB.
Not everybody in the world has a PIII-550/384MB like one guy that I know of.
I realize that, as you have posted before, you are programming on a P60, so maybe you should be ironing out any bugs (is there any?) on your end of the scale before you start catering to the high-end market.
Anyway, that's my 1.26 cents (2 Australian cents). If I keep giving away my 2 cents like, this, I'm gonna run out of money pretty soon...
~unfnknblvbl

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> Anyway, why do you want to put in a slowdown routine? I need to put both Calypso and Meka in Frameskip 7 to run Road Rash at 100% on my P133/32MB.
> Not everybody in the world has a PIII-550/384MB like one guy that I know of.

Frameskip 7 ?!
Are you joking ?
I have a p120 and Meka runs between 60% and 120% of the speed of the real machine on my system.

Zoop, what delay do you use in Meka?

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> Frameskip 7 ?!
> Are you joking ?
> I have a p120 and Meka runs between 60% and 120% of the speed of the real machine on my system.

Well, Meka and Calypso run at about the same time on my computer.
for some reason, for average 2D games, I need to run them at around FSkip2-3.
For Road Rash, FSkip3 is still too slow, I have to use FSkip Auto to run it at ~100%
Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic, I used Calypso to check. FSkip6 is around 90% and FSkip7 is 115% when running the actual game race.
Copmuter specs:
Compaq Presario 7240
Monitor: Presario 1410
CPU: Pentium 133MHz
RAM: 32MB 72-pin EDO (4x8MB SIMMs)
HDD: 1.50GB
SoundCard: ESS AudioDrive 1788
Modems: Compaq Presario internal 19.2Kbps fax/data/voiceview (whatever the frig that is)
KTX external 56Kbps Fax/data/voice

Does that help?
~unfnknblvbl

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> Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic,

hold down the F button to see the current frames per second

Now if anybody has the Pentium 133 blues it's me. But even so, Meka and Calypso run at full
frame rate. Meka may skip down to 1 or 2 at times but nothing unbearible. 7? I think that's
hightly elaborated.

Chris :o)

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> Zoop, what delay do you use in Meka?

I'm not using a delay but a timed interrupt that run a function periodically, that allow me to count the number of FPS and then skip frames if necessary.

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> > Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic,

> hold down the F button to see the current frames per second

Well, pressing 'F' only shows you the FPS, not the FSkip currently used to keep it at ~100% speed
~unfnknblvbl

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> >
> > > Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic,

> > hold down the F button to see the current frames per second

> Well, pressing 'F' only shows you the FPS, not the FSkip currently used to keep it at ~100% speed
> ~unfnknblvbl

well, assuming the max frame rate is 60fps, then divide 60 by the fps you get.
eg 60 / 60 = 1 (no frameskip)
60 /30 = 2 ( every second frame; frame skip of 2?)
60 /20 =3 (every third frame; frameskip of 3?)
and so on

I was running Road Rash
Most games (Sonic, etc) need to be FSkip 2 or 3 on my computer.
Road Rash is just an extreme case because of the sprite-scaling involved.
~unfnknblvbl

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> I was running Road Rash
> Most games (Sonic, etc) need to be FSkip 2 or 3 on my computer.
> Road Rash is just an extreme case because of the sprite-scaling involved.
> ~unfnknblvbl

There is no computed "sprite scaling". It's just different sprites.

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LSJMDM Guest	Timing Posted: Thu Aug 26, 1999 8:23 am
LSJMDM Guest	Hello :) Like Calypso is now fast, some people asked me to put in them a slowdown routine, but all things made by my are incorrect or don´t work very well. With a fixed delay you don´t correct the problem, since the Z80 engine and the VDP render spendts differetns times. With a variable timing, the emulator is too slow. ¿How to make a good timing routine, like BrSMS or Meka ? Anyone have a goo idea?

unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Posted: Thu Aug 26, 1999 8:59 am
unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	I think that you should just have a user-selectable amount of slowdown, like in Masssage. I like to play some of my SMS games at around 150%-175% ~unfnknblvbl

LSJMDM Guest	Posted: Thu Aug 26, 1999 4:03 pm
LSJMDM Guest	Yes. It can be a good solution. The problem is that a user selectable amount slowdown will not correct the problem, since both Z80 and VDP engines don´t spent regular intervals of time. Massage calculates the time by executin a small Z80 program and measuring the time this spents. It calculates both frameskip and frameskipless times. It is not too dificult. Thanks for give ideas. Saludos, Jose Manuel

unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Are you aware... text Posted: Fri Aug 27, 1999 9:21 am
unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Are you aware that the only emulators that correctly run Road Rash for the Master System are Meka and your very own Calypso. I find that very strange, as they are the newst SMS emulators out (that I know of), and they seem to have the highest compatability rate! Anyway, why do you want to put in a slowdown routine? I need to put both Calypso and Meka in Frameskip 7 to run Road Rash at 100% on my P133/32MB. Not everybody in the world has a PIII-550/384MB like one guy that I know of. I realize that, as you have posted before, you are programming on a P60, so maybe you should be ironing out any bugs (is there any?) on your end of the scale before you start catering to the high-end market. Anyway, that's my 1.26 cents (2 Australian cents). If I keep giving away my 2 cents like, this, I'm gonna run out of money pretty soon... ~unfnknblvbl

Zoop Joined: 24 Jun 1999 Posts: 1732 Location: Paris, France	Re: Are you aware... text Posted: Fri Aug 27, 1999 9:52 pm
	Quote > Anyway, why do you want to put in a slowdown routine? I need to put both Calypso and Meka in Frameskip 7 to run Road Rash at 100% on my P133/32MB. > Not everybody in the world has a PIII-550/384MB like one guy that I know of. Frameskip 7 ?! Are you joking ? I have a p120 and Meka runs between 60% and 120% of the speed of the real machine on my system.

LSJMDM Guest	Re: Are you aware... text Posted: Sat Aug 28, 1999 5:19 pm
LSJMDM Guest	Zoop, what delay do you use in Meka?

unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Specs Posted: Sun Aug 29, 1999 5:42 am
unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Quote > Frameskip 7 ?! > Are you joking ? > I have a p120 and Meka runs between 60% and 120% of the speed of the real machine on my system. Well, Meka and Calypso run at about the same time on my computer. for some reason, for average 2D games, I need to run them at around FSkip2-3. For Road Rash, FSkip3 is still too slow, I have to use FSkip Auto to run it at ~100% Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic, I used Calypso to check. FSkip6 is around 90% and FSkip7 is 115% when running the actual game race. Copmuter specs: Compaq Presario 7240 Monitor: Presario 1410 CPU: Pentium 133MHz RAM: 32MB 72-pin EDO (4x8MB SIMMs) HDD: 1.50GB SoundCard: ESS AudioDrive 1788 Modems: Compaq Presario internal 19.2Kbps fax/data/voiceview (whatever the frig that is) KTX external 56Kbps Fax/data/voice Does that help? ~unfnknblvbl

Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Re: Specs Posted: Sun Aug 29, 1999 8:57 am
Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Quote > Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic, hold down the F button to see the current frames per second

Chris Guest	Yeah text Posted: Sun Aug 29, 1999 2:29 pm
Chris Guest	Now if anybody has the Pentium 133 blues it's me. But even so, Meka and Calypso run at full frame rate. Meka may skip down to 1 or 2 at times but nothing unbearible. 7? I think that's hightly elaborated. Chris :o)

Zoop Joined: 24 Jun 1999 Posts: 1732 Location: Paris, France	Re: Are you aware... text Posted: Sun Aug 29, 1999 4:54 pm
	Quote > Zoop, what delay do you use in Meka? I'm not using a delay but a timed interrupt that run a function periodically, that allow me to count the number of FPS and then skip frames if necessary.

unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Re: Specs Posted: Mon Aug 30, 1999 7:23 am
unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	Quote > > > Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic, > hold down the F button to see the current frames per second Well, pressing 'F' only shows you the FPS, not the FSkip currently used to keep it at ~100% speed ~unfnknblvbl

Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Re: Specs Posted: Mon Aug 30, 1999 12:35 pm
Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Quote > > > > > Seeing as Meka doesn't tell you what the FSkip is for automatic, > > hold down the F button to see the current frames per second > Well, pressing 'F' only shows you the FPS, not the FSkip currently used to keep it at ~100% speed > ~unfnknblvbl well, assuming the max frame rate is 60fps, then divide 60 by the fps you get. eg 60 / 60 = 1 (no frameskip) 60 /30 = 2 ( every second frame; frame skip of 2?) 60 /20 =3 (every third frame; frameskip of 3?) and so on

unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	That's not elaborating! Posted: Tue Aug 31, 1999 12:38 am
unfnknblvbl Joined: 12 Jul 1999 Posts: 890	I was running Road Rash Most games (Sonic, etc) need to be FSkip 2 or 3 on my computer. Road Rash is just an extreme case because of the sprite-scaling involved. ~unfnknblvbl

Zoop Joined: 24 Jun 1999 Posts: 1732 Location: Paris, France	Re: That's not elaborating! Posted: Wed Sep 01, 1999 6:41 pm
	Quote > I was running Road Rash > Most games (Sonic, etc) need to be FSkip 2 or 3 on my computer. > Road Rash is just an extreme case because of the sprite-scaling involved. > ~unfnknblvbl There is no computed "sprite scaling". It's just different sprites.

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