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See competition page and rules here:
http://www.smspower.org/music/competition

Submission to be made before March 27th, 2005. *Updated*

Forms will be made available shortly. I yet have to do a news announcement and contact web sites. I think the textual content needs more changes/addition, but right now I'm desesperately tired of writing in english :)

Comments and questions are welcome.

Bjarni : if you have source for the logo, can you e-mail me one that is less than 600 pixels wide? This one is too large for some configuration. I can resize myself it but then it'll become blurrry.

Hello Bock,

This is great news I have been looking forward to this for ages.

Just one question though, I have a slow internet connection and it will take forever to send you my mp3 so I was just wondering may the file be zipped? or shall I make it a lower playback rate say 64KB/s?

Thanks,

Jacko

As discussed previously, an MP3 file is already highly compressed and generally will not compress much more with ZIP, RAR, 7z etc unless it is particularly badly compressed to MP3 in the first place.

Try playing with your MP3 encoder, with options such as VBR, to maximise quality for a given bitrate.

64kbps mono is equal quality to 128kbps stereo.

Convert to 22050Hz and you'll lose a lot of dynamic range but only need half the bitrate.

In general, compress as much as you can without making it sound bad.

I'd say, better spend a dozen minutes uploading your music in its full quality rather than downsampling it. (unless you can do it without loss, such as encoding in Mono if you're not using Sterero)

another idea would be to use ogg instead of mp3.

about 72 kbps (possibly even less) in ogg is equal to 128 kbps mp3.

so the equivalent to a 4.0mb MP3 in ogg would be 2.25mb

Bock wrote

See competition page and rules here:
http://www.smspower.org/music/competition

Hooray! Progress!

Quote

Bjarni : if you have source for the logo, can you e-mail me one that is less than 600 pixels wide? This one is too large for some configuration. I can resize myself it but then it'll become blurrry.

Uh oh. I don't have any sources, because it is just something I slapped together quickly in... the Gimp, probably. But I should be able to repeat the achievement. I'm a bit busy, but I'll try to get it done within in the next couple of days.

Bjarni

OK, I have made a smaller logo, 512x130, which is here:
http://www.update.uu.se/~bjarni/smspower_compo/logo-liten.png

There is a bug. Let's see who can spot it :-).

Bjarni

Since I haven't posted in a while I'll make up for it by whining:

1. On the front page for the competition, where it says "a MP3" it should say "an MP3".
2. The word "category" is separated from its colon by a space, which looks kind of odd.
3. I see you've modernised my wording and changed a "what" for a "which". I picked "what" because I thought it sounded better... but this is really whining. Anyway, changing "another" to "the other" might be a good idea. Picky, picky.
4. Why am I posting this crap instead of building computers?

Bjarni

Thanks for your logo, I posted it. I see it has been cut on the right but that's fine. SMS Power art has a tradition to look cheap anyway :)

I tweaked your text and then Maxim also did so. Hope it's ok. I won't worry about updating it now, seeing the task list I already have for this week-end.

Hope that some of you are already working on their entrie(s). We must provide the upload script soon.

Bock wrote

Thanks for your logo, I posted it. I see it has been cut on the right but that's fine. SMS Power art has a tradition to look cheap anyway :)

Am I a bozo or what. Don't know how I managed to do that. I'll fix it... there, done. It made the image 515 pixels wide which bites slightly, but I am willing to live with that. The fixed version is in the same place as the old one was.

The bug I had in mind is where the text overlaps the arm of the robot: there are a few pixels there which are actually transparent and thus show up as blue although they ought to be red. I ran out of undos...

Quote

I tweaked your text and then Maxim also did so. Hope it's ok. I won't worry about updating it now, seeing the task list I already have for this week-end.

Don't worry about it. I'm sure there are more important things to do.

Quote

Hope that some of you are already working on their entrie(s). We must provide the upload script soon.

Such as that.

Bjarni

Hello Everyone,

I was just wondering can we use Martin Konrads PSG Tracker to make a song?

I have already made a 12 bar blues progression in the key of C Major and I was thinking if it would be any good for the competition. And one more question, if we feel our entry is complete would it be possible as the submition script isn't up yet to send the file to Bock or Maxim via. E-Mail?

Thanks

Jacko

jacko87 wrote

I was just wondering can we use Martin Konrads PSG Tracker to make a song?

Yes! Just be sure to submit a VGM exported from the tracker. You can also submit the original .psgmod source file if you want.

Quote

I have already made a 12 bar blues progression in the key of C Major and I was thinking if it would be any good for the competition. And one more question, if we feel our entry is complete would it be possible as the submition script isn't up yet to send the file to Bock or Maxim via. E-Mail?

You can e-mail submission to ME while the script is not up.

Hi Bock,

I'll E-Mail you my submission

Just another thing I think you made a spelling error you had "you can email be......" but I think "be" should be "me" (bit of a tounge twister)

Thankyou

Jacko

The entry uploading page is now up!
See:
http://www.smspower.org/music/competition/

Only 2 submissions so far.
(someone also submitted 4 songs but I could not find any relation to SMS/GG and he won't answer my e-mails now)

I don't know if it'll help, but I could move the deadline to the 27. Tet said he will do a song if he has those few days. What do you think?

Expand the deadline!

Christuserloeser wrote

Expand the deadline!

I'll take your word and count on your submission!
Deadline expanded.

Thanks, I will have a look then...

Because of school, I hadn't the time to finish and mix some of my tracks, maybe with the deadline "expansion" I can finish them...

Best regards

Hello Bock,

Just to let you know I made my submission nearly when the submission window opened and I put my name as "Jacko" not "jacko87" which is my username for the forums

I was the one that did the 12 bar blues with Martin's PSG tracker

I am sorry if you got confused it was vey inconsiderate of me not to let you know.

Thankyou,

Jacko

jacko87 wrote

Just to let you know I made my submission nearly when the submission window opened and I put my name as "Jacko" not "jacko87" which is my username for the forums
I was the one that did the 12 bar blues with Martin's PSG tracker
I am sorry if you got confused it was vey inconsiderate of me not to let you know.

No problem Jacko! I got your submission, it's listed on the page.

Feel free to submit another if you feel so :)

Thanks.

Finish your stuff, guys !

Hello Bock,

OK I've just submitted my second entry. It's a BIOS medley.

Can't wait till judging starts. In my country it's 2 hours and 50 mins till the 27th of March begins.

Have fun judging/listening

Jacko

http://www.smspower.org/music/competition/

I'm not posting comments right now, must catch up with the other things :)
Hope you enjoy them. Thanks all!

I'm actually surprised by the quality of the entries - good work people :) Now all I need is a place to vote!

haven't realized i included the older version of the song in psgmod format. it's just a mistake, but you don't have to remove it as some of you might think the later part is unnecessary. anyway here's the latest version:

http://www.vorc.org/crew/hally/MISSION76496.PSGMOD

as you see, my pattern allocation is sorta messy though ;)

If anyone was wondering, the last entry, "Last minute dungeon", is by a friend of mine, Jakob. Lisbeth Åkerman Fanclub is the name of our band. I tipped him of the competition, and he was already thinking of recording a Wonder Boy III cover any way, so he entered it into the competition and signed it with the band name even though I had nothing to do with it. Our next album will probably feature a version with lyrics and everything :-).

When can we start voting?

Hello Guys,

Did you all enjoy the competiton?

I know I did and I enjoyed listening to everyones entries last night

I did put two song in for the compo. but I don't want to comment on my own because it is both unfair and bias.

The two songs that I would pick that are the best for the competiton are

-Mission 76496
-Last Minute Dungeon

Mission 76496 I feel has a good groove and has very good control over dynamics and it almost reminds me of some of the songs from lemmings with both white noise and periodic noise being used. I love how at the start one of the tracks was put to good use and plays a very high tone almost sounds like a triangle very cool.

All in all I I rate it 7/10

Last Minute Dungeon to me has beautiful expression in the playing. You can seriously feel that it was played with the right sort of mood in mind. It has good dynamics and clean strokes on the guitar wich make it a brilliant piece of music

All in all I rate it 8/10

Thanks for your time,

Jacko

Hello,

Should setup proper voting procedure.
What do you think ?

1. Use phpBB poll feature.
Pro: easy to setup
Cons: only 1 vote per user, no comment. Best entries may be too advantaged.

2. Create some custom form / script
Pro: can customize almost how we want it
Cons: takes ages to do, and I'm incompetent (maybe someone can do it? :)

3. Do it the old fashioned posting way like Jacko did
Pro: easy to setup (nothing to do hehe), people can comment
Cons: we have to admit that this website is cheap =)

What do you think?

4. Test out some pre-written voting scripts. There might be something appropriate for our use that doesn't require writing from scratch (or paying money).

A casual googling turned up this:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/actionpoll/

But I'm sure there are other options.

So, what sort of judging system would you like to have? Have everyone rank each from 1-10 and total the results? I agree that just voting for one favorite is going to skew the results towards a couple of entries and leave the others with few or zero votes. Would we also break it up by category, like a seperate ranking for technical and artistic merit...

Well, I don't know, that's getting complicated.

I checked plenty now, I cannot find any (free) one that does proper voting on a range (eg: 1-10). The very most of them are just single choice vite. I'm doing one now... turns out not to be difficult.

"F34R my PHP skills"

http://www.smspower.org/music/competition/vote.php

Actually it turns out to be fairly correct. I resisted the temptation of making a fully generic script, but it's halfway there in my mind, and I may improve it in the future so it can be reused for various other things.

It should be working well, but just in case, I'll leave it not mentionned on the competition page (only on this forum) for a day or so, to confirm it works.

What do you think?
Should I add a billion more fields?

sweet.

Tet's gotten me into SMS music a little, though I make NSFs and use MML (I'm not too great with trackers), but we'll see if I make anything good.

I'm going to vote for hally... it's just so complex and well-written.

And I like the use of the noise for bass since the squares suck :P

Author	Message
Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	SMS Power! Sega 8-bit Music Competition 2005 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:07 pm Last edited by Bock on Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:52 am; edited 2 times in total
	See competition page and rules here: http://www.smspower.org/music/competition Submission to be made before March 27th, 2005. *Updated* Forms will be made available shortly. I yet have to do a news announcement and contact web sites. I think the textual content needs more changes/addition, but right now I'm desesperately tired of writing in english :) Comments and questions are welcome. Bjarni : if you have source for the logo, can you e-mail me one that is less than 600 pixels wide? This one is too large for some configuration. I can resize myself it but then it'll become blurrry.

Jacko Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1464 Location: Sunny ol Tamworth, New England NSW AU	Fantastic and Thanks x 1000 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:20 am
	Hello Bock, This is great news I have been looking forward to this for ages. Just one question though, I have a slow internet connection and it will take forever to send you my mp3 so I was just wondering may the file be zipped? or shall I make it a lower playback rate say 64KB/s? Thanks, Jacko

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14564 Location: London	Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:24 am
	As discussed previously, an MP3 file is already highly compressed and generally will not compress much more with ZIP, RAR, 7z etc unless it is particularly badly compressed to MP3 in the first place. Try playing with your MP3 encoder, with options such as VBR, to maximise quality for a given bitrate. 64kbps mono is equal quality to 128kbps stereo. Convert to 22050Hz and you'll lose a lot of dynamic range but only need half the bitrate. In general, compress as much as you can without making it sound bad.

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:11 am
	I'd say, better spend a dozen minutes uploading your music in its full quality rather than downsampling it. (unless you can do it without loss, such as encoding in Mono if you're not using Sterero)

suzumebachi Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Posts: 2 Location: New Mexico	Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:37 am
	another idea would be to use ogg instead of mp3. about 72 kbps (possibly even less) in ogg is equal to 128 kbps mp3. so the equivalent to a 4.0mb MP3 in ogg would be 2.25mb

Bjarni Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Uppsala, Sweden	Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:27 pm
	Bock wrote See competition page and rules here: http://www.smspower.org/music/competition Hooray! Progress! Quote Bjarni : if you have source for the logo, can you e-mail me one that is less than 600 pixels wide? This one is too large for some configuration. I can resize myself it but then it'll become blurrry. Uh oh. I don't have any sources, because it is just something I slapped together quickly in... the Gimp, probably. But I should be able to repeat the achievement. I'm a bit busy, but I'll try to get it done within in the next couple of days. Bjarni

Bjarni Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Uppsala, Sweden	Smaller logo Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:38 am
	OK, I have made a smaller logo, 512x130, which is here: http://www.update.uu.se/~bjarni/smspower_compo/logo-liten.png There is a bug. Let's see who can spot it :-). Bjarni

Bjarni Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Uppsala, Sweden	Annoybot mode activated Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:01 am
	Since I haven't posted in a while I'll make up for it by whining: 1. On the front page for the competition, where it says "a MP3" it should say "an MP3". 2. The word "category" is separated from its colon by a space, which looks kind of odd. 3. I see you've modernised my wording and changed a "what" for a "which". I picked "what" because I thought it sounded better... but this is really whining. Anyway, changing "another" to "the other" might be a good idea. Picky, picky. 4. Why am I posting this crap instead of building computers? Bjarni

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:02 pm
	Thanks for your logo, I posted it. I see it has been cut on the right but that's fine. SMS Power art has a tradition to look cheap anyway :) I tweaked your text and then Maxim also did so. Hope it's ok. I won't worry about updating it now, seeing the task list I already have for this week-end. Hope that some of you are already working on their entrie(s). We must provide the upload script soon.

Bjarni Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Uppsala, Sweden	Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:51 pm
	Bock wrote Thanks for your logo, I posted it. I see it has been cut on the right but that's fine. SMS Power art has a tradition to look cheap anyway :) Am I a bozo or what. Don't know how I managed to do that. I'll fix it... there, done. It made the image 515 pixels wide which bites slightly, but I am willing to live with that. The fixed version is in the same place as the old one was. The bug I had in mind is where the text overlaps the arm of the robot: there are a few pixels there which are actually transparent and thus show up as blue although they ought to be red. I ran out of undos... Quote I tweaked your text and then Maxim also did so. Hope it's ok. I won't worry about updating it now, seeing the task list I already have for this week-end. Don't worry about it. I'm sure there are more important things to do. Quote Hope that some of you are already working on their entrie(s). We must provide the upload script soon. Such as that. Bjarni

Jacko Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1464 Location: Sunny ol Tamworth, New England NSW AU	Can we use Martins PSG Tracker Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:41 am
	Hello Everyone, I was just wondering can we use Martin Konrads PSG Tracker to make a song? I have already made a 12 bar blues progression in the key of C Major and I was thinking if it would be any good for the competition. And one more question, if we feel our entry is complete would it be possible as the submition script isn't up yet to send the file to Bock or Maxim via. E-Mail? Thanks Jacko

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Re: Can we use Martins PSG Tracker Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:10 am Last edited by Bock on Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:07 am; edited 1 time in total
	jacko87 wrote I was just wondering can we use Martin Konrads PSG Tracker to make a song? Yes! Just be sure to submit a VGM exported from the tracker. You can also submit the original .psgmod source file if you want. Quote I have already made a 12 bar blues progression in the key of C Major and I was thinking if it would be any good for the competition. And one more question, if we feel our entry is complete would it be possible as the submition script isn't up yet to send the file to Bock or Maxim via. E-Mail? You can e-mail submission to ME while the script is not up.

Jacko Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1464 Location: Sunny ol Tamworth, New England NSW AU	OK I'll do that Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:47 am
	Hi Bock, I'll E-Mail you my submission Just another thing I think you made a spelling error you had "you can email be......" but I think "be" should be "me" (bit of a tounge twister) Thankyou Jacko

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Entry upload page is up Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:46 pm
	The entry uploading page is now up! See: http://www.smspower.org/music/competition/

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Moving deadline? Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:41 pm
	Only 2 submissions so far. (someone also submitted 4 songs but I could not find any relation to SMS/GG and he won't answer my e-mails now) I don't know if it'll help, but I could move the deadline to the 27. Tet said he will do a song if he has those few days. What do you think?

Christuserloeser Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Pangea	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:18 pm
	Expand the deadline!

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:48 pm
	Christuserloeser wrote Expand the deadline! I'll take your word and count on your submission! Deadline expanded.

Christuserloeser Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Pangea	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:35 pm
	Thanks, I will have a look then...

J/\n Solrac Guest	humm... much better... Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:17 pm
J/\n Solrac Guest	Because of school, I hadn't the time to finish and mix some of my tracks, maybe with the deadline "expansion" I can finish them... Best regards

Jacko Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1464 Location: Sunny ol Tamworth, New England NSW AU	Quick Submission Message Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:01 am
	Hello Bock, Just to let you know I made my submission nearly when the submission window opened and I put my name as "Jacko" not "jacko87" which is my username for the forums I was the one that did the 12 bar blues with Martin's PSG tracker I am sorry if you got confused it was vey inconsiderate of me not to let you know. Thankyou, Jacko

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Re: Quick Submission Message Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:09 am
	jacko87 wrote Just to let you know I made my submission nearly when the submission window opened and I put my name as "Jacko" not "jacko87" which is my username for the forums I was the one that did the 12 bar blues with Martin's PSG tracker I am sorry if you got confused it was vey inconsiderate of me not to let you know. No problem Jacko! I got your submission, it's listed on the page. Feel free to submit another if you feel so :) Thanks.

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Friendly reminder :) Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:17 am
	Finish your stuff, guys !

Jacko Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1464 Location: Sunny ol Tamworth, New England NSW AU	Allright, Allright Calm Down! Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:41 am
	Hello Bock, OK I've just submitted my second entry. It's a BIOS medley. Can't wait till judging starts. In my country it's 2 hours and 50 mins till the 27th of March begins. Have fun judging/listening Jacko

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Entries are up! Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:44 pm
	http://www.smspower.org/music/competition/ I'm not posting comments right now, must catch up with the other things :) Hope you enjoy them. Thanks all!

MarcK Joined: 10 Apr 2002 Posts: 212 Location: Denmark	Brilliant! Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:33 am
MarcK Joined: 10 Apr 2002 Posts: 212 Location: Denmark	I'm actually surprised by the quality of the entries - good work people :) Now all I need is a place to vote!

hally Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 1 Location: Japan	oopse Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:51 am
hally Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 1 Location: Japan	haven't realized i included the older version of the song in psgmod format. it's just a mistake, but you don't have to remove it as some of you might think the later part is unnecessary. anyway here's the latest version: http://www.vorc.org/crew/hally/MISSION76496.PSGMOD as you see, my pattern allocation is sorta messy though ;)

Bjarni Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Uppsala, Sweden	Last minute dungeon Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:00 pm
	If anyone was wondering, the last entry, "Last minute dungeon", is by a friend of mine, Jakob. Lisbeth Åkerman Fanclub is the name of our band. I tipped him of the competition, and he was already thinking of recording a Wonder Boy III cover any way, so he entered it into the competition and signed it with the band name even though I had nothing to do with it. Our next album will probably feature a version with lyrics and everything :-). When can we start voting?

Jacko Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1464 Location: Sunny ol Tamworth, New England NSW AU	My Comments Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:43 am
	Hello Guys, Did you all enjoy the competiton? I know I did and I enjoyed listening to everyones entries last night I did put two song in for the compo. but I don't want to comment on my own because it is both unfair and bias. The two songs that I would pick that are the best for the competiton are -Mission 76496 -Last Minute Dungeon Mission 76496 I feel has a good groove and has very good control over dynamics and it almost reminds me of some of the songs from lemmings with both white noise and periodic noise being used. I love how at the start one of the tracks was put to good use and plays a very high tone almost sounds like a triangle very cool. All in all I I rate it 7/10 Last Minute Dungeon to me has beautiful expression in the playing. You can seriously feel that it was played with the right sort of mood in mind. It has good dynamics and clean strokes on the guitar wich make it a brilliant piece of music All in all I rate it 8/10 Thanks for your time, Jacko

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Voting procedure Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:31 pm
	Hello, Should setup proper voting procedure. What do you think ? 1. Use phpBB poll feature. Pro: easy to setup Cons: only 1 vote per user, no comment. Best entries may be too advantaged. 2. Create some custom form / script Pro: can customize almost how we want it Cons: takes ages to do, and I'm incompetent (maybe someone can do it? :) 3. Do it the old fashioned posting way like Jacko did Pro: easy to setup (nothing to do hehe), people can comment Cons: we have to admit that this website is cheap =) What do you think?

Heliophobe Site Admin Joined: 25 Oct 1999 Posts: 2029 Location: Monterey, California	Re: Voting procedure Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:04 pm
	4. Test out some pre-written voting scripts. There might be something appropriate for our use that doesn't require writing from scratch (or paying money). A casual googling turned up this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/actionpoll/ But I'm sure there are other options. So, what sort of judging system would you like to have? Have everyone rank each from 1-10 and total the results? I agree that just voting for one favorite is going to skew the results towards a couple of entries and leave the others with few or zero votes. Would we also break it up by category, like a seperate ranking for technical and artistic merit... Well, I don't know, that's getting complicated.

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:34 pm
	I checked plenty now, I cannot find any (free) one that does proper voting on a range (eg: 1-10). The very most of them are just single choice vite. I'm doing one now... turns out not to be difficult.

Bock Site Admin Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 8610 Location: Paris, France	VOTING (beta test) Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:22 pm
	"F34R my PHP skills" http://www.smspower.org/music/competition/vote.php Actually it turns out to be fairly correct. I resisted the temptation of making a fully generic script, but it's halfway there in my mind, and I may improve it in the future so it can be reused for various other things. It should be working well, but just in case, I'll leave it not mentionned on the competition page (only on this forum) for a day or so, to confirm it works. What do you think? Should I add a billion more fields?

RushJet1 Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Posts: 90 Location: Georgia, USA	Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:59 am
	sweet. Tet's gotten me into SMS music a little, though I make NSFs and use MML (I'm not too great with trackers), but we'll see if I make anything good. I'm going to vote for hally... it's just so complex and well-written. And I like the use of the noise for bass since the squares suck :P

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