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I just got done using the older version of Genecyst and it's sound is emulated through the Adlib.
The only problem is that it sounds horrible! It's way off frequency, the feedback is all wrong,
and the sound isn't loud enough! It makes Massage's FM sound seem like Gold! They could've
atleast added an extra 30 or 100 values to each sound write to make it sound correct. That is
just sloppy programming there. Why did they even release it like that?

(Nesticle, versions .20 and below really, really suck too)

Chris :o)

i think the problem is that adlib 2op fm just cant do 4op genesis fm - half your operators are missing, for one thing.
i mean goto fm settings, you see the list of all 8 possible algorithms that the 4op fm is supposed to have - but you only get to operators for any of them (need 4). you can toggle between making each of the two ops an fm or an am modulator, but it requires 2 more ops to make it sound more recognisable. sure, extra coding may make it sound better, but i dont think it would be intresting.
someone said that the opl3 chip can support 4 op fm, and if so, it would sound a lot better (not with that adlib based fm). i wonder if someone has more info about this?

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> I just got done using the older version of Genecyst and it's sound is emulated through the Adlib.
> The only problem is that it sounds horrible! It's way off frequency, the feedback is all wrong,
> and the sound isn't loud enough! It makes Massage's FM sound seem like Gold! They could've
> atleast added an extra 30 or 100 values to each sound write to make it sound correct. That is
> just sloppy programming there. Why did they even release it like that?

> (Nesticle, versions .20 and below really, really suck too)

> Chris :o)

Why is Massage's FM YM2413 sound so much better than Genecyst's YM2612?

Chris :o)

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> Why is Massage's FM YM2413 sound so much better than Genecyst's YM2612?

> Chris :o)

jap sms's ym2413 seems to be a clone of the ym3812 - which is the adlib chip - the two chips are very very close - maybe identical. therefore music written for the 2413 should sound good coming out of an adlib/opl3 chip ( the composer of the music would have tried to make it sound nice, we hope ;)

genesis's 2612 is a different chip, in most respects more advanced than the 2413/3812 - music written for it looses a lot of 'detail' when passed though the adlib chip - the music was never intended to run through a 3812.

adlib chip - compatible with sms 2413. (2 op) - so music written for it sounds like it should

adlib chip - not desigened for 2612 4 op fm, so 4 op music has to be severly altered/reduced to be used on it, and that kills a significant portion of the original detail/intended waveform structure - music written for it does not sound like it should

say you had two orchestras - one has a couple of wind instruments and a couple of string intruments.
with a good composer, a good tune can be bashed out.

say the other orchestra has a varied selection of intruments, including drums and the like.
again, a good composer will be able to bash out a good tune.

now take the music that the second composer, and make the first orchestra play it - some instruments the musical piece should have dont have a close replacement by the orchestra - the music sounds recognisable, but it sounds very different -probably poorer than the first composers music, even though he used the same instruments. it because the first composer built his music around the set of intruments, where as the second composer built his music around a totaly different set of instruments. and when you change the instruments, you change what the music will sound like - often for the worst.

did any of this make any sense? ;)

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> say you had two orchestras - one has a couple of wind instruments and a couple of string intruments.
> with a good composer, a good tune can be bashed out.

> say the other orchestra has a varied selection of intruments, including drums and the like.
> again, a good composer will be able to bash out a good tune.

> now take the music that the second composer, and make the first orchestra play it - some instruments the musical piece should have dont have a close replacement by the orchestra - the music sounds recognisable, but it sounds very different -probably poorer than the first composers music, even though he used the same instruments. it because the first composer built his music around the set of intruments, where as the second composer built his music around a totaly different set of instruments. and when you change the instruments, you change what the music will sound like - often for the worst.

> did any of this make any sense? ;)

[Genecyst 0.20]

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> That is just sloppy programming there. Why did they even release it like that?
> (Nesticle, versions .20 and below really, really suck too)

Sure, they all sucks.
Call us when your SG-1000 emulator will show something.
(no flaming, it was just too tempting)

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Chris Guest	Genecyst v.20 sound Posted: Sun Jul 04, 1999 3:09 pm
Chris Guest	I just got done using the older version of Genecyst and it's sound is emulated through the Adlib. The only problem is that it sounds horrible! It's way off frequency, the feedback is all wrong, and the sound isn't loud enough! It makes Massage's FM sound seem like Gold! They could've atleast added an extra 30 or 100 values to each sound write to make it sound correct. That is just sloppy programming there. Why did they even release it like that? (Nesticle, versions .20 and below really, really suck too) Chris :o)

Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Posted: Sun Jul 04, 1999 4:47 pm
Limbs a Flyin' Guest	i think the problem is that adlib 2op fm just cant do 4op genesis fm - half your operators are missing, for one thing. i mean goto fm settings, you see the list of all 8 possible algorithms that the 4op fm is supposed to have - but you only get to operators for any of them (need 4). you can toggle between making each of the two ops an fm or an am modulator, but it requires 2 more ops to make it sound more recognisable. sure, extra coding may make it sound better, but i dont think it would be intresting. someone said that the opl3 chip can support 4 op fm, and if so, it would sound a lot better (not with that adlib based fm). i wonder if someone has more info about this? Quote > I just got done using the older version of Genecyst and it's sound is emulated through the Adlib. > The only problem is that it sounds horrible! It's way off frequency, the feedback is all wrong, > and the sound isn't loud enough! It makes Massage's FM sound seem like Gold! They could've > atleast added an extra 30 or 100 values to each sound write to make it sound correct. That is > just sloppy programming there. Why did they even release it like that? > (Nesticle, versions .20 and below really, really suck too) > Chris :o)

Chris Guest	Massage's FM Sound Posted: Mon Jul 05, 1999 2:15 am
Chris Guest	Why is Massage's FM YM2413 sound so much better than Genecyst's YM2612? Chris :o)

Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Re: Massage's FM Sound Posted: Mon Jul 05, 1999 6:38 am
Limbs a Flyin' Guest	Quote > Why is Massage's FM YM2413 sound so much better than Genecyst's YM2612? > Chris :o) jap sms's ym2413 seems to be a clone of the ym3812 - which is the adlib chip - the two chips are very very close - maybe identical. therefore music written for the 2413 should sound good coming out of an adlib/opl3 chip ( the composer of the music would have tried to make it sound nice, we hope ;) genesis's 2612 is a different chip, in most respects more advanced than the 2413/3812 - music written for it looses a lot of 'detail' when passed though the adlib chip - the music was never intended to run through a 3812. adlib chip - compatible with sms 2413. (2 op) - so music written for it sounds like it should adlib chip - not desigened for 2612 4 op fm, so 4 op music has to be severly altered/reduced to be used on it, and that kills a significant portion of the original detail/intended waveform structure - music written for it does not sound like it should

Limbs a Flyin' Guest	heres an analogy that might be more obvious... Posted: Mon Jul 05, 1999 6:48 am
Limbs a Flyin' Guest	say you had two orchestras - one has a couple of wind instruments and a couple of string intruments. with a good composer, a good tune can be bashed out. say the other orchestra has a varied selection of intruments, including drums and the like. again, a good composer will be able to bash out a good tune. now take the music that the second composer, and make the first orchestra play it - some instruments the musical piece should have dont have a close replacement by the orchestra - the music sounds recognisable, but it sounds very different -probably poorer than the first composers music, even though he used the same instruments. it because the first composer built his music around the set of intruments, where as the second composer built his music around a totaly different set of instruments. and when you change the instruments, you change what the music will sound like - often for the worst. did any of this make any sense? ;)

Chris Guest	Yep nt Posted: Mon Jul 05, 1999 11:13 pm
Chris Guest	Quote > say you had two orchestras - one has a couple of wind instruments and a couple of string intruments. > with a good composer, a good tune can be bashed out. > say the other orchestra has a varied selection of intruments, including drums and the like. > again, a good composer will be able to bash out a good tune. > now take the music that the second composer, and make the first orchestra play it - some instruments the musical piece should have dont have a close replacement by the orchestra - the music sounds recognisable, but it sounds very different -probably poorer than the first composers music, even though he used the same instruments. it because the first composer built his music around the set of intruments, where as the second composer built his music around a totaly different set of instruments. and when you change the instruments, you change what the music will sound like - often for the worst. > did any of this make any sense? ;)

Zoop Joined: 24 Jun 1999 Posts: 1732 Location: Paris, France	Posted: Tue Jul 06, 1999 7:05 pm
	[Genecyst 0.20] Quote > That is just sloppy programming there. Why did they even release it like that? > (Nesticle, versions .20 and below really, really suck too) Sure, they all sucks. Call us when your SG-1000 emulator will show something. (no flaming, it was just too tempting)

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