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Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:42 am
Stokes definitely, I love this kinda stuff :)
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:37 am
Here's the attempt I did, and also, here are the pack of other MSX games on the Xyzolog loader (please note that a tiny bit of these games does not work on the loader). These are only 8 or 16kB games. Enjoy! Request me if you want any MSX game that is 8 or 16kB that won't work on the SMS. You can also patch them with bsittler's Xyzolog SG2GG hack, even you can patch the Sky Jaguar attempt with the Yie Ar Kung-Fu SG2GG hack (if it's there). :-)
Use start to get the title and game working for Sky Jaguar.
Xyzolog Loader.zip (1.17 MB)

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:37 pm
Hello ,
i have a MASTER SYSTEM 2 with a EVERDRIVE

i try the MSX MEGAROM (with bsittler ips patch)
They work great

On the EVERDRIVE i can put 1Mo rom MAX
Is it possible to have patch IPS (<=1Mo) for :
- NEMESIS 2
- F1 SPIRIT
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:59 pm
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Hello ,
i have a MASTER SYSTEM 2 with a EVERDRIVE

i try the MSX MEGAROM (with bsittler ips patch)
They work great

On the EVERDRIVE i can put 1Mo rom MAX
Is it possible to have patch IPS (<=1Mo) for :
- NEMESIS 2
- F1 SPIRIT


Hello, it's nice to meet you. I'm glad to hear that the games work for you. :-)
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Post Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:25 pm
It's really funny to see MSX games running on a real MASTER SYSTEM

From the tests I did we can say that 60 games converted work with EVERDRIVE
2 loaders runs well on EVERDRIVE :
- CLOVER
- HI-COM

I would like to succeed in running MAGICAL KID WID and PLANET MOBILE with EVERDRIVE

I'm waiting to see if other loader will come out

I can post a ready-to-use pack for EVERDRIVE
Tell me if it's allowed?
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Post Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:47 pm
msx45 wrote
It's really funny to see MSX games running on a real MASTER SYSTEM

From the tests I did we can say that 60 games converted work with EVERDRIVE
2 loaders runs well on EVERDRIVE :
- CLOVER
- HI-COM

I would like to succeed in running MAGICAL KID WID and PLANET MOBILE with EVERDRIVE

I'm waiting to see if other loader will come out

I can post a ready-to-use pack for EVERDRIVE
Tell me if it's allowed?


The reason why you think it's kinda funny is because they both use the same Z80 processor, even for Game Gear and SG-1000. These loaders were basically from the 1980s in Korea, they were discontinued after all the game ideas. I have played Magical Kid Wiz, but not Planet Mobile, I might try that game.
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Post Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:49 pm
msx45 wrote
It's really funny to see MSX games running on a real MASTER SYSTEM

From the tests I did we can say that 60 games converted work with EVERDRIVE
2 loaders runs well on EVERDRIVE :
- CLOVER
- HI-COM

I would like to succeed in running MAGICAL KID WID and PLANET MOBILE with EVERDRIVE

I'm waiting to see if other loader will come out

I can post a ready-to-use pack for EVERDRIVE
Tell me if it's allowed?


Hey, wait a minute... I did try this game. There are MSX2SMS people that did this game. If you want, I can do both these games, too. Also, DahJee, Aaronix, Jumbo, or Joy Soft (including the Xyzolog loader, maybe it's from Samsung themselves) didn't work for you?
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:01 am
On the emulators almost all the conversions work but on EVERDRIVE a lot of conversions does not work

MAGICAL KID WIZ and PLANET MOBILE work on emulator
MAGICAL KID WIZ and PLANET MOBILE doesn't work on EVERDRIVE

Planet mobile is known as Mobile Planet Suthirus
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:16 pm
msx45 wrote
On the emulators almost all the conversions work but on EVERDRIVE a lot of conversions does not work

MAGICAL KID WIZ and PLANET MOBILE work on emulator
MAGICAL KID WIZ and PLANET MOBILE doesn't work on EVERDRIVE

Planet mobile is known as Mobile Planet Suthirus


I see, and I know the Planet Mobile is already that name.
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Post Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:06 pm
I'm just asking if you guys were interested if I told you I were porting MSX2 to SMS games (although I said it was impossible) like Quarth.
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Post Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:58 pm
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I'm just asking if you guys were interested if I told you I were porting MSX2 to SMS games (although I said it was impossible) like Quarth.


Really???
Metal gear and Castlevania !!!
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I'm just asking if you guys were interested if I told you I were porting MSX2 to SMS games (although I said it was impossible) like Quarth.


Hola, I am very interested too. MSX2 has good games, and It would be awesome playing those games on our favourite consoles.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:29 pm
Well then, I will be working on it. I'm about to be working on Metal Gear, Quarth, 1942, Dragon Buster, Pac-Mania, etc.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:38 pm
I assuming it would be dependent on the game and if they can be downsampled enough.
Like doesn't MSX2 have a baseline RAM/VRAM size much larger than the SMS?
And the one MSX2 game I worked on used what is basically a 16-color bitmap mode. Something I believe SMS doesn't support?
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Well then, I will be working on it. I'm about to be working on Metal Gear, Quarth, 1942, Dragon Buster, Pac-Mania, etc.


Great, It Will be fantastic to add "new games" to the SMS library.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:40 pm
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I assuming it would be dependent on the game and if they can be downsampled enough.
Like doesn't MSX2 have a baseline RAM/VRAM size much larger than the SMS?
And the one MSX2 game I worked on used what is basically a 16-color bitmap mode. Something I believe SMS doesn't support?


Okay, as I'm searching, the SMS / Game Gear uses 16 colors or colours for the people in that country inside a sprite, but 64 color palettes inside the video chip, the MSX has 256 to 512 colors in total. So, the MSX2 might be impossible to do, or maybe possible if it is.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:29 pm
Hello Stokes, yes we like MSX2 games running in SMS !

16 Colors to Background and 16 Colors to Sprites, selectable from 64 colors depth, would be possible to downgrade 512 to 64 selectable as we do with Game Gear to Master System ports, (4096 to 64)

I now commercial games are using 16 color palette, then would be possible duplicate palette for background and sprites and downgrade from 512 to 64

What do you think?
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:24 pm
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Hello Stokes, yes we like MSX2 games running in SMS !

16 Colors to Background and 16 Colors to Sprites, selectable from 64 colors depth, would be possible to downgrade 512 to 64 selectable as we do with Game Gear to Master System ports, (4096 to 64)

I now commercial games are using 16 color palette, then would be possible duplicate palette for background and sprites and downgrade from 512 to 64

What do you think?


Since I see you thinking this stuff is possible, I'll do it. :-)
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:52 pm
https://www.msx.org/wiki/VDP_Color_Palette_Registers

Need to capture when game is setting palettes and do a call $XXXX to conversion routine MSX2SMS palette, theoretically, in practice it will depend on the complexity and space of the rom to reprogram
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:09 pm
If you guys want, you can port the MSX2 games also and show the work you've done. I'm interested in that too. I'm doing it Zemina style, like Nemesis 2.
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:52 am
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Thank you for this topic ;)

Here a list of conversion I tried (only with Road Fighter TW 16 first ko).
Note that I'm not testing games of 128ko and over.


Hey, while we try to figure this out, why not give me a request of some of these BAD files (only 8 or 16 kilobytes) and let me put it on the Xyzolog loader. Also, how about other MSX games like Parodius or R-Type, any 128 to any kilobytes.
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:01 am
R-Type needs mapper conversion of course, but it also accesses hardware without using the BIOS I believe, including a check for FM-PAC in slot 2 and possibly IO, so likely needs extra patching. I think the optional FM music should be portable to SMS FM at least in terms of chips used. Also SMS R-Type seems better in many ways, though MSX one can use PSG and FM simultaneously which is pretty neat
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:47 pm
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R-Type needs mapper conversion of course, but it also accesses hardware without using the BIOS I believe, including a check for FM-PAC in slot 2 and possibly IO, so likely needs extra patching. I think the optional FM music should be portable to SMS FM at least in terms of chips used. Also SMS R-Type seems better in many ways, though MSX one can use PSG and FM simultaneously which is pretty neat


Okay, so maybe Parodius if I can get it to work like Zemina's Nemesis port.
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Athletic Land (1984) Konami MSX
Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:56 am
Stokes, can you convert Athletic Land to SMS?
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:41 am
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Stokes, can you convert Athletic Land to SMS?


Hello, Hi-Com, a Korean company has done so in their last 8-in-1 collection, maybe I can export it to the SMS itself.
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:51 am
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Stokes, can you convert Athletic Land to SMS?


Here you go, enjoy! :-)

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Thanks!
I just learnt that I can't play this game on my Mega Drive as it doesn't support legacy video modes. =(

Because bluemsx core from PS3 Retroarch didn't work with keyboard games I couldn't play it but now that you converted it to SMS perhaps it will work on Genesis Plus GX core with my joystick.

I will try it there then. =D

PS: It worked!

Perhaps you could convert also Artic Adventure and Penguim Adventure?
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Thanks!
I just learnt that I can't play this game on my Mega Drive as it doesn't support legacy video modes. =(

Because bluemsx core from PS3 Retroarch didn't work with keyboard games I couldn't play it but now that you converted it to SMS perhaps it will work on Genesis Plus GX core with my joystick.

I will try it there then. =D

PS: It worked!

Perhaps you could convert also Antarctic Adventure and Penguin Adventure?


Yeah, Sega should've used the video mode, but, since they've used their own video for Mega Drive / Genesis, it supports SMS color. Glad that Athletic Land works.

Zemina, also a Korean company, ported Penguin Adventure to the SMS with their code changes, you can download it Here.

I might try to see if I can fix the glitch bugs for Antarctic Adventure.
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Would anybody want to have Bomber King on their Master System?
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Bomber King is a really great game on MSX, I think some SMS fans will enjoy it :)
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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:55 am
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BcnAbel76 wrote
Hello Stokes, yes we like MSX2 games running in SMS !

16 Colors to Background and 16 Colors to Sprites, selectable from 64 colors depth, would be possible to downgrade 512 to 64 selectable as we do with Game Gear to Master System ports, (4096 to 64)

I now commercial games are using 16 color palette, then would be possible duplicate palette for background and sprites and downgrade from 512 to 64

What do you think?


Since I see you thinking this stuff is possible, I'll do it. :-)


as i think that we should separate this thread into two different threads, since converting msx1 games to sg1000 (and sms by retrocompatibility) is significantly different than converting msx2 games to sms, i started this one: https://www.smspower.org/forums/18087-MSX2ToSMSConversionsNotMSXToSG1000

as commented there, converting msx2 games to sms is almost totally remaking the game, and needing to analyze the z80 disassembling listing deeply, at least for locating where the graphics part is, and remaking that totally since sms uses mostly hardware tiles, and msx2 "screen 5" (mostly used on msx2 games) uses vdp dma-like commands for simulating that, which both are structured in a totally different way, not mentioning also how sprites are structured (sms sprites are 4bitdepth, and msx2 sprites are 1bitdepth with 1 color per line, and allowing boolean "or" colours when sprites are overlapped, as shown at https://www.msx.org/wiki/The_OR_Color )
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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:34 pm
Okay, while we just figure these stuff out, I still can do small games for right now.
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Okay, while we just figure these stuff out, I still can do small games for right now.


I saw "The Protector" had been converted from MSX to SMS, would it be possible to request the other games based on Jackie Chan converted too? Project A, Spartan X and Police Story.
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Stokes wrote
Okay, while we just figure these stuff out, I still can do small games for right now.


I saw "The Protector" had been converted from MSX to SMS, would it be possible to request the other games based on Jackie Chan converted too? Project A, Spartan X and Police Story.


Police Story has been converted to the SMS. I can redo both of these games, although I need to find Project A, Spartan X is only in cassette and disk format, maybe someone soon will convert the game to ROM format, but it seems to not exist. Even Project A is in cassette.
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Post Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:03 pm
I converted a N.I. game from 2017 called Bird & Chairs. It's on Joy Soft's loader, maybe I can be able to port this to Game Gear soon. But here, enjoy! :-)

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Here's the game on Game Gear.

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Here's a game called Mr. Chin by HAL Labs.
Mr. Chin (KR).zip (49.7 KB)

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:45 am
I have a question. Do any coders port MSX to SMS manually like Zemina did?
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Also, who would like more Aaronix / DahJee ports?
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Post Posted: Yesterday at 1:04 pm
I'm working on Alpha Squadron on the SMS. I hope anybody is interested. I got the VDP working. Looks like the whole game works if you're on demo.
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Post Posted: Yesterday at 5:43 pm
I also ported Brother Adventure to the Master System. It has no sound, but also Zemina never even ported this to the SMS.
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Post Posted: Yesterday at 7:23 pm
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Thanks!
I just learnt that I can't play this game on my Mega Drive as it doesn't support legacy video modes. =(

Because bluemsx core from PS3 Retroarch didn't work with keyboard games I couldn't play it but now that you converted it to SMS perhaps it will work on Genesis Plus GX core with my joystick.

I will try it there then. =D

PS: It worked!

Perhaps you could convert also Artic Adventure and Penguim Adventure?


Hi, Lambada. Just came here to tell you that I fixed the VDP on Antarctic Adventure. I still need to do sound and controls.
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