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Sega AI Computer & Software!
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:44 pm Last edited by Bock on Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:42 pm; edited 9 times in total |
About ten years after the last time one was auctionned, I have managed to acquire a SEGA AI Computer (セガ Aiコンピューター) and 12 software.
The Sega AI Computer is extremely rare and unknown to the point that it isn't clear if it was actually properly released. It was announced in 1986 and share some "vibe" similarities with the Sega Mark III era. My understanding is that was tested or sold to schools. I don't know if school was the test market, what was the intent, if many schools got it? The software comes on card format that looks strikingly similar to Mark III / Master System cards. Otherwise very little is unknown. The software are dated 1988. The system specs are advertised as: (copying data from SukaSega) CPU : 16bit V20 (based on 8088) ROM : 128KB OS.with SEGA PROLOG RAM : 128KB VRAM : 64KB Video : V9938 Resolution 256x212 Sound : SN76489 Cassette Drive : 9600bps TV Output : RGB, Video, RF Keyboard : new JIS arrangement (Japanese input mapping) It cost about $1700 to get the system with 9 cards. 1 card auction was lost to another bidder in an attempt of taming bids. 3 more cards are being sold next week for an estimated price of $200 but the increased publicity may raise their price. The software we found are educational aimed at kids. It is unknown if Sega developped other software or was what planned. The computer ROM apparently include a Prolog interpreter. The system was acquired with the help of various donations I have collected yesterday. And in particular with the Game Preservation Society in Tokyo ( http://gamepres.org ). They will first receive the system and probably help in devising dumping hardware. I will keep you updated on the whereabouts of the system but it may take a while. At worse we can get scans and videos, at best we can dump the ROM and software and it may lead to emulators. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:44 pm |
Attached some flyers to this post, and you can find more here:
http://park21.wakwak.com/~suka/sega/catalog/AIcom/AI.html |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:48 pm Last edited by Bock on Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:51 pm; edited 2 times in total |
Educational Software: Cosmic Train (こずみっく・とれいん)
(couldn't buy this one) |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:49 pm Last edited by Bock on Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:51 pm; edited 2 times in total |
Educational Software: Mozard Academy (もーつぁると・あかでみー)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:50 pm |
Educational Software: Ocean Fantasy (おーしゃん・ふぁんたじー)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:51 pm |
Educational Software: Alice World (ありす・わーるど)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:52 pm |
Educational Software: Columbus Map (ころんぶす・まっぷ)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:54 pm |
Educational Software: Gulliver Pocket (がりばー・ぽけっと)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:55 pm |
Educational Software: Arabian Night (あらびあん・ないと)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:57 pm Last edited by Bock on Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:42 am; edited 1 time in total |
Educational Software: Cinderella Labyrinth (しんでれら・らびりんす)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:59 pm |
Educational Software: Robinson Land (ろびんそん・らんど)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:59 pm |
Educational Software: Andersen Dream (あんでるせん・どりーむ)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:00 pm |
Educational Software: Runrun Music (るんるん・みゅーじっく)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:01 pm |
Educational Software: Tantan Rhythm (たんたん・りずむ)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:02 pm |
Educational Software: Ranran Melody (らんらん・めろでぃー)
That's all for now. AFAIK this week is the first time we see picture of Sega AI software on the internet. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:02 pm |
I saw that yesterday, I am happy you're the one who got it! | |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:25 pm |
Congrats on getting it!
Are you aware that Masato bought the game you lost? |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:27 pm Last edited by Bock on Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:21 am; edited 1 time in total |
Yes I let him have it (see above "in an attempt of taming bids", he wanted to bid on software so prefer to avoid bidding wars). He'll lend it to us. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:40 pm |
Fine, at least its ROM won't be lost... | |
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:14 pm |
I love those colorful cases :) | |
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:41 am |
Unbelievable !!!
Was it for auction on yahoo ? I remember the last one on ebay was auctionned for 20 000 £ :p |
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:32 pm |
Very nice, looks like it was made around the same time as the Mark II or Mark III!
It looks like fun to play, especially interested in seeing Mozart. Curious to hear what it sounds like, is the sound chip SN76489A or SN76489AN I wonder! Very nice congratulations :) |
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:22 pm |
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:00 pm |
Two more software found (from the same seller), I got them.
Educational Software: English Wonder School - Eigo de ohanashi (えいごわんだーすくーるー、えいごでおはなし): Folk & Fairy Tales Interestingly this one comes with *two* mycards and *two* tapes. Presumably the tapes contains audio? |
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:03 pm |
Educational Software:
English Wonder School - Eigo de Game (えいごわんだーすくーるー、えいごでげーむ): Popo's Adventure Also on two cards + two tapes. |
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:15 pm |
I had no idea that this even existed. Great find!! | |
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:54 am |
*AMAZING*
/me hopes tapes can be dumped with no problems (those are definitely more fragile than the cart) |
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:40 pm |
My intuition is that those particular tapes are audio tapes and the software/data goes on the card.
Beep-Shop actually acquired a Sega AI earlier this month and what's where the video above got posted. http://www.beep-shop.com/blog/2147/ Attached pictures including close-up of a card. GamePres.org now received the hardware/software that we bought. |
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:50 pm Last edited by Bock on Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:47 pm; edited 5 times in total |
The seller to have more of them, they posted a total of 4 Sega AI (that's including one we bought). One had the hardware manual and an unidentified tape that appears to come with the system. It's a shame we didn't get that lot. I wonder if they have more? Somebody has stumbled on a little treasure of a stock..
I have noted 6 serial numbers for the hardware so far AI-7010 No 1001106 AI-7010 No 1003526 AI-7010 No 1001103 AI-7010 No 1001322 AI-7010 No 1001632 AI-7010 No 1002765 AI-7010 No 1003962 And 4 serial number for Sega AI Sound Box AI-2002 Soundbox: No 1002260 AI-2002 Soundbox: No 1002205 AI-2002 Soundbox: No 1002102 AI-2002 Soundbox: No 1002143 (this one I already owned) AI-2002 Soundbox: No 1001067 It could mean that at least 3500 units were made, or maybe if the serial number is split (1001-xxx first revision, 1002-xxx soundbox, 1003-xxx different revision?) which is possible given the pattern here. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:26 pm |
I have some news that Gamepres managed to extra data from the cards, so everything could potentially already be dumped. Joseph from Gamepres is travelling a lot so it is hard to get reliable infos and progress but apparently we could have something soon. | |
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:51 am |
Nice to hear that!! | |
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:05 pm |
that's just *A*M*A*Z*I*N*G*
if you need any help with validating the dumps (since MESS offers V20 disasm), you know where to drop a message :) |
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First screenshots
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:46 am
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Attached the first screenshots of running SEGA AI computer.
Those were captured by Chris Covell from real hardware. Things are developing fast and we will be posting news shortly! |
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:52 am |
Darn, that's exciting !
Spotted one loose on ebay last week, wondering if the japanese guy just bought a warehouse with all the SEGA AI produced that never got to store shelves lying in it. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:12 am Last edited by Bock on Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
I think 4 units were sold in the past few months. There's one on eBay that the user bought from the Japan auction and trying to sell back. Classic greedy. It's a shame because it is in London and I'd really like to be able just to scan the manual from the seller wouldn't let me borrow it. | |
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:25 pm Last edited by Bock on Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
News
- Chris Covell has been doing amazing work with dumping all the computer data (total of 5 roms), all the software and reverse engineering the hardware specs. etabeta and jdg of MESS are working on emulating it. - The original purchaser of the 15th software (and 17th card) "Cosmic Train" was kind enough to sell it back to me. So it is now also dumped. - There is a software called 絵日記 (graphic/visual diary) that we haven't got, haven't got the manual nor the keyboard either. |
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:28 pm |
Great progress. The Sega Pico seems like a successor to this in many ways.
From "Electronics"; July 24, 1986 via Google Books;
Also featured in an article from French magazine "TILT" issue 53, April 1988. An interesting article which also includes a picture of a Sega's "Digitizer System". |
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:32 pm |
Excellent find. | |
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:41 pm Last edited by Bock on Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
Scan of Sega AI my cards courtesy of Chris.
"Eigo de Game 1/2 - Eigo de Wonder School" (game over two cards). |
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:01 pm Last edited by Bock on Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:14 pm; edited 1 time in total |
Somebody sent me this ad from 1986.
Software is called "Kumon Wonderschool" (or it could be a serie) which doesn't match exactly the software we have. And there is a screenshot of Alice's World. The scan is from コぺル21 January 1987 issue (likely sold in December 1986). Two tweets from the guy who scanned them https://twitter.com/yoshimatsuTUQ/status/573105694284492800 「セガAIコンピュータ」と「くもんわんだぁすくーる」の関係がイマイチよく分からない。くもん~は当時のくもん出版から出ていた学習教材だが、AIコンピュータに他の用途があったのだろうか。 https://twitter.com/yoshimatsuTUQ/status/573106592045916160 「わんだぁすくーる」はソフト18巻つきで一括価格168,990円(1986年末の広告より)。誰が買うんだよというシロモノであり、当然この世にほとんど残っていないと思われる。本体は契約2週間後に発送とあるのだが、ソフト供給は9月からと書かれている点は全く意味が分からない。 Sorry no time to translate now. But the ads sells Kumon School as a package of 18 software for 168990 yens (~$1500 without adjustment for inflation). It could be that the software we got as in fact this very package, or maybe not. I think Chris has access to a box carrying all the software and they may be more info there. |
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Kumon Wonder School
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:16 pm Last edited by Bock on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:50 am; edited 2 times in total |
Obtained scans of the above from @yoshimatsuTUQ in Copel 21, January 1987 Issue (コぺル21 1987/1)
In the zoomed software lineup the titles are アリス ワールド Alice World ロビンソン ワールド Robinson World シンデレラ ワールド Cinderella World イソープ ワールド Aesop World ヘンゼル&クレーテル ワールド Hansel and Gretel World ゴクウ ワールド Gokou World 宝島 ワールド(?) Takarajima World (Treasure Island) ヘレンケラー ワールド Helen Keller World ナイチンゲール ワールド Nightingale World ジャンヌ・ダルク ワールド Jeanne D'Arc World エジソン ワールド Edison World リンカーン ワールド Lincoln World スペース(宇宙)ワールド Space World サファリ(??)ワールド Safari World ロボット ワールド Robot World マザー ワールド Mother World マザー ワールド2 Mother World 2 マザー ワールド3 Mother World 3 |
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:01 pm |
The magazine looks like コペル21 ("koperu", not "covell" ;-) ) Gokou is an OK transliteration, as is "Gokuu". 宝島 ワールド Takarajima World (Treasure Island) is more likely ジャンヌ・ダルク サファリ... (狩猟)?? (秘境)?? |
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:16 pm |
Thanks, fixed those above (Takarajima obviously..).
Next to Safari World is Space (宇宙)World so I suppose the kanji for Safari World mean something close to Safari. And neither 狩猟 nor 秘境 seem to match the strokes? |
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:21 pm |
Picture of Sega AI running in MESS, courtesy of ccovell / etabeta / jdg.
We're working on organising a release soon! |
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:17 am |
So, I have been and returned from Japan for various reasons and one of them was going to grab the Sega AI computer that has been sitting there forever. Chris kindly had stuff sent to a friend in Kyoto who I met with last week.
As it turns out, everything was much better/heavier than I expected, and I got worried that I wouldn't be able to safely transport it back to France but a lot of bubble wraps and mule friends helped that. It is now all at home and safe! I will post better pictures later including the software packages (several of them, and they are rather big), but in the meanwhile here are some pictures that my friend Jake took (in the middle of some messy room in sweaty hot Kyoto). |
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:26 am |
It looks so nice!! :-D | |
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:01 pm |
I'm glad everything got back home safely.
Someone might find this interesting: the RS-232 dumping program in action Sega AI Computer dumping program by Chris Covell, 2/9/2015
Now in Mode 0. PL/PR buttons to change port to write to. Pad L/R to change port bit. Pad Up to write to port. Pad Down to write 0-256-0 to port. PORT: 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0>0 00 PORT: 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0>0 00 PORT: 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0>0 00 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0>0 00 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0 0 0>0 0 00 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 00 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0>1 0 0 0 08 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 03 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 00 9F FF FF 7D 7B F0 FF 00 00 .. xx xx xx .. .. .. .. .. .. FF FF 00 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 00 .. PORT: 04 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 05 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 05 0 0 0 0>1 0 0 0 08 PORT: 06 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 07 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 08 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 07 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 07 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 07 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 0 00 PORT: 07 0 0 0 0 0>0 0 0 00 Now in Mode 1. PL button dumps MAPPERLESS card. PR button dumps 16*16K MAPPERED card. Pad Up to view V20 space. Pad Down to view Card space $A-$B. Pad Right to cycle through all mapper banks... <up> 00 : E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 E2 14 00 F0 10 : 6F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 20 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 : .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 50 : .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 60 : .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 70 : .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 80 : 00 00 55 AA 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 90 : .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. A0 : 00 00 55 AA 40 00 80 00 8B 00 00 00 00 00 C2 03 0A 00 00 00 00 00 03 6E 6E 9A 00 00 00 00 00 01 B0 : 00 01 C0 00 0F 0F 81 00 E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F D1 2F C0 : 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 D0 : 04 40 FF FE 04 40 00 00 7F F8 01 00 FF FE 05 40 19 30 E1 0E 04 00 FF FE 08 40 17 80 02 70 7C 0C E0 : .. 4D 06 60 C6 06 00 06 00 C6 06 01 06 00 C6 06 80 09 00 C7 06 81 09 00 00 C6 06 83 09 00 BE 84 F0 : 01 F1 F4 05 26 46 02 F1 FD 05 A5 43 01 F1 0E 06 0E 69 00 F1 19 06 77 63 00 F1 22 06 77 63 00 F1 <down> A0 : 00 00 55 AA 40 00 80 00 8B 00 00 00 00 00 C2 03 0A 00 00 00 00 00 03 6E 6E 9A 00 00 00 00 00 01 A2 : 03 31 FA A8 03 A9 08 7D FA 08 04 05 02 00 05 03 00 FB 50 01 FB 56 01 FB 68 01 41 A9 0F 7D FA EA A4 : 00 FB EA 00 01 FB 9E 01 01 05 0D 00 FA 5C 01 04 00 00 00 FA AE 00 05 02 00 03 20 00 00 00 40 02 A6 : 13 60 00 A9 A7 89 AA E4 02 A9 A7 89 A9 9A 89 A9 B9 8E 04 23 60 00 A9 AB 88 AA EA 02 A9 98 84 A9 A8 : 8F 82 8E 82 85 82 51 FF 82 94 82 8F 82 8E 82 85 82 52 FF 82 8E 82 8F 82 89 82 93 82 85 FF 82 D9 AA : B8 00 00 8E D8 FB BF 01 00 BB 01 00 C8 00 00 00 6A 01 6A 00 6A 00 68 FF 00 68 BF 00 6A 0E 6A 11 AC : 7C 28 5E 07 18 0E 34 07 13 4E 78 24 08 12 0E 7B 18 6E 07 18 0E 34 07 13 5E 68 24 08 12 0E 7A 28 AE : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 88 16 95 23 8A 00 18 00 0C 00 C1 EC 01 00 A0 98 AF 00 A0 B8 AF B0 : 00 01 C0 00 0F 0F 81 00 E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F E1 2F D1 2F B2 : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF B4 : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF B6 : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF B8 : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF BA : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF BC : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF BE : FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF Now in Mode 2... watch those ports GO! 00 9F FF FF 7F 7E F0 FF 00 00 .. xx xx xx .. .. .. .. .. .. FF FF 00 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 00 .. 00 9F FF FF 7F 7E F0 FF 00 00 .. xx xx xx .. .. .. .. .. .. FF FF 00 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 00 .. 00 9F FF FF 7F 7E F0 FF 00 00 .. xx xx xx .. .. .. .. .. .. FF FF 00 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 00 .. ... Now in Mode 3... Sound Box Port A,B,C |
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:05 pm |
Great news !
PS: Bock, you're back in Paris ? |
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:46 pm |
Yes |
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:40 pm
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which emulator runs it? mess? mess 0.160.0 (at least from Ubuntu 16.04 repository) has no “segaai” | |
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