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Grass-eatin'me
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:35 pm |
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It's "Final Battle" or, the battle with Dark Fact. If you prefer that. The song which couldn't get logged, because of sound effects. (unknown1)
I don't know about Harmonica, as I'm not a YS fanatic, or Falcom or Sound Team J.D.K (I must just say that again; it is extremely unfair that neither J.D.K nor Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa, who COMPOSED the music of the game aren't in the author field.)
Unknown3?... hmmmmm.. I think I've heard it before. I will look around more, once I'm done with my current rip-assigment (20 snes fighters).
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:17 pm |
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> I wonder if fx^ is reading this :)
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Yes he is! :D
The correct name for the Harmonica tune is "Temple Del Sol". I think that unknown 3 might be "Theme of Adol", but I'm mostly guessing now, not sure at all. I don't have any Ys music on this computer to compare with :(
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> Sadly this isn't directly related to VGM packs (I have enough Ys PSG and FM packs already), but it is Ys music so that's cool.
> Maxim
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:26 pm |
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> It's "Final Battle" or, the battle with Dark Fact. If you prefer that. The song which couldn't get logged, because of sound effects. (unknown1)
> I don't know about Harmonica, as I'm not a YS fanatic, or Falcom or Sound Team J.D.K (I must just say that again; it is extremely unfair that neither J.D.K nor Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa, who COMPOSED the music of the game aren't in the author field.)
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Well, they didn't do the SMS music. As I already said in some other post, it's like when some artist are making a cover and it's being played on MTV, you don't see the original artist mentioned anywhere, only the ones who covered it.
But in one way I think you're right, Soundteam JDK deserves to be mentioned in the Ys VGM Pack, if only in the .txt.
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> Unknown3?... hmmmmm.. I think I've heard it before. I will look around more, once I'm done with my current rip-assigment (20 snes fighters).
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Grass-eatin'me
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:54 pm |
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> > It's "Final Battle" or, the battle with Dark Fact. If you prefer that. The song which couldn't get logged, because of sound effects. (unknown1)
> > I don't know about Harmonica, as I'm not a YS fanatic, or Falcom or Sound Team J.D.K (I must just say that again; it is extremely unfair that neither J.D.K nor Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa, who COMPOSED the music of the game aren't in the author field.)
> Well, they didn't do the SMS music. As I already said in some other post, it's like when some artist are making a cover and it's being played on MTV, you don't see the original artist mentioned anywhere, only the ones who covered it.
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That's patethic. Why should we do such stupid things? It's just extremely stupid not to mention the original artists in those VGMs. They did the music for christs sake, not Ippo and Bo, as people would believe.
And. Take a look at those albums: yes, the artists gets the credit written in capital letters, but the original composer is always mentioned.
Remember, YS 1 songs've been released on maybe over a 50 albus (and, no. I'm not kidding) and I'm pretty sure evey one of those albums credtis the original composer, and not just the arranger (such as Fujisawa, Sugimoto, Yonemitsu, Kishimoto, etc...)
I don't want to remove Ippo, nekko and bo from the tags, but Yuzo Koshiro (or Sound Team JDK) should be added.
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> But in one way I think you're right, Soundteam JDK deserves to be mentioned in the Ys VGM Pack, if only in the .txt.
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It should be creditet first, like this;
Author: Sound Team JDK, Tokuhiko Uwabo, Izuho Takeuchi, Nekko
The game credits Bo, Ippo, Nekko for Sounds. Tokuhiko is Bo, Izuho is Ippo. No one knows who Nekko is. It's extremely widely known that Sound Team JDK composed the music for this game, and every other Falcom game actually. And because they always get credit for it, they get it here too! Bo, ippo, nekko didn't compose anything on this soundtrack (in exception of "Harmonica", perhaps") It's also known that Yuzo Koshiro composed every track (aside from that one) in exception of Fountain of Dreams, composed by Mieko Ishikawa. As you understand, both Yuzo and Mieko were inside Sound Team JDK.
Did I mention that not mentioning the original composer(s) for the biggest names in the video game music industry (in exception of stuff like Final Fantasy) is a crime?
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:58 pm |
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> > I wonder if fx^ is reading this :)
> Yes he is! :D
> > Please tell me the proper names of these tracks, which aren't in the existing VGM pack:
> > http://www.smspower.org/maxim/forumstuff/unknown1.vgz http://www.smspower.org/maxim/forumstuff/unknown3.vgz
> > Also, what is the proper name for "Harmonica" in the VGM pack? Do any other tracks need name corrections?
> The correct name for the Harmonica tune is "Temple Del Sol". I think that unknown 3 might be "Theme of Adol", but I'm mostly guessing now, not sure at all. I don't have any Ys music on this computer to compare with :(
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The Temple del Sol from Falcom Classics II Music Collection / Asteka II ~ Temple of the Sun?
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> > Sadly this isn't directly related to VGM packs (I have enough Ys PSG and FM packs already), but it is Ys music so that's cool.
> > Maxim
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:22 pm |
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> > Well, they didn't do the SMS music. As I already said in some other post, it's like when some artist are making a cover and it's being played on MTV, you don't see the original artist mentioned anywhere, only the ones who covered it.
> That's patethic. Why should we do such stupid things? It's just extremely stupid not to mention the original artists in those VGMs. They did the music for christs sake, not Ippo and Bo, as people would believe.
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Well, I agree that it's stupid to not mention the original author of the songs, no doubt about it.
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> And. Take a look at those albums: yes, the artists gets the credit written in capital letters, but the original composer is always mentioned.
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Yes, hidden somewhere in the CD sleeve mostly :/
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> Remember, YS 1 songs've been released on maybe over a 50 albus (and, no. I'm not kidding) and I'm pretty sure evey one of those albums credtis the original composer, and not just the arranger (such as Fujisawa, Sugimoto, Yonemitsu, Kishimoto, etc...)
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I know, I have about 15 Ys Albums or something myself as MP3, and one original Audio CD =)
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> I don't want to remove Ippo, nekko and bo from the tags, but Yuzo Koshiro (or Sound Team JDK) should be added.
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I still think the people who made the SMS versions deserves the most credit, and it would be alot to add to the composer field if Soundteam JDK was to be added aswell.
I would prefer to see a "Original Author" field added to the GD3 tag but Maxim didn't think that was such a good idea, it was discussed recently in another thread here, just can't remember which one right now :/
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> > But in one way I think you're right, Soundteam JDK deserves to be mentioned in the Ys VGM Pack, if only in the .txt.
> It should be creditet first, like this;
> Author: Sound Team JDK, Tokuhiko Uwabo, Izuho Takeuchi, Nekko
> The game credits Bo, Ippo, Nekko for Sounds. Tokuhiko is Bo, Izuho is Ippo. No one knows who Nekko is. It's extremely widely known that Sound Team JDK composed the music for this game, and every other Falcom game actually. And because they always get credit for it, they get it here too! Bo, ippo, nekko didn't compose anything on this soundtrack (in exception of "Harmonica", perhaps") It's also known that Yuzo Koshiro composed every track (aside from that one) in exception of Fountain of Dreams, composed by Mieko Ishikawa. As you understand, both Yuzo and Mieko were inside Sound Team JDK.
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I knew atleast that Yuzo was in Sound Team JDK ...
I think we both see this in a different way, I know Sound Team JDK's songs are truly amazing and I think they beat the crap out of the music from the Final Fantasy games, but making these tunes sound good on a SMS PSG or FM unit is an accomplishment aswell, and therefor I think Bo, Ippo and Neko (the game credit it to Neko right, and not Nekko?) should be the ones first credited since they did the versions of the songs we're listening to.
I actually think Maxim should decide how we should solve this since he's the one maintaining the VGM archive =)
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> Did I mention that not mentioning the original composer(s) for the biggest names in the video game music industry (in exception of stuff like Final Fantasy) is a crime?
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In a way, you did. And I agree, I'm ashamed I didn't even mention Soundteam JDK in the textfile. Don't know if I did in the updated package I sent to Maxim about a year ago or two =)
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:25 pm |
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> The Temple del Sol from Falcom Classics II Music Collection / Asteka II ~ Temple of the Sun?
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I got alot of E-Mails telling me the Harmonica tune was called "Temple del Sol", that's really all I know right now.
Have to check through my Ys MP3 collection later and see if I have it, but I can't access it right now :(
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:14 am |
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> > The Temple del Sol from Falcom Classics II Music Collection / Asteka II ~ Temple of the Sun?
> I got alot of E-Mails telling me the Harmonica tune was called "Temple del Sol", that's really all I know right now.
> Have to check through my Ys MP3 collection later and see if I have it, but I can't access it right now :(
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It's not from YS, sorry. It's from the game "Temple of the Sun" (Asteka II).
The song is called "Temple del Sol" track 19 of Falcom Classics II Music Collection (music disc following the Sega Saturn game of the same name) It's 35 seconds long, and sounds splendid. My guess is that it is the main-theme or Opening Theme of the game, as it sounds pretty majestic.
I also assume the same song've appeared in many other album releases. As it's a Falcom Classic :P.
You're always free to connect to vgmcentral.no-ip.com and download it ;) Just be sure to read the rules first :-)
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:28 am |
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> > And. Take a look at those albums: yes, the artists gets the credit written in capital letters, but the original composer is always mentioned.
> Yes, hidden somewhere in the CD sleeve mostly :/
> > Remember, YS 1 songs've been released on maybe over a 50 albus (and, no. I'm not kidding) and I'm pretty sure evey one of those albums credtis the original composer, and not just the arranger (such as Fujisawa, Sugimoto, Yonemitsu, Kishimoto, etc...)
> I know, I have about 15 Ys Albums or something myself as MP3, and one original Audio CD =)
> > I don't want to remove Ippo, nekko and bo from the tags, but Yuzo Koshiro (or Sound Team JDK) should be added.
> I still think the people who made the SMS versions deserves the most credit, and it would be alot to add to the composer field if Soundteam JDK was to be added aswell.
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I dissagree. It's because of the gorgeous compositions that game got so many album releases. Not because of the arrangers. The music is the most important, not the arrangement.
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> I would prefer to see a "Original Author" field added to the GD3 tag but Maxim didn't think that was such a good idea, it was discussed recently in another thread here, just can't remember which one right now :/
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Most often, you don't know for sure who the original author / programmer is.
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> > > But in one way I think you're right, Soundteam JDK deserves to be mentioned in the Ys VGM Pack, if only in the .txt.
> > It should be creditet first, like this;
> > Author: Sound Team JDK, Tokuhiko Uwabo, Izuho Takeuchi, Nekko
> > The game credits Bo, Ippo, Nekko for Sounds. Tokuhiko is Bo, Izuho is Ippo. No one knows who Nekko is. It's extremely widely known that Sound Team JDK composed the music for this game, and every other Falcom game actually. And because they always get credit for it, they get it here too! Bo, ippo, nekko didn't compose anything on this soundtrack (in exception of "Harmonica", perhaps") It's also known that Yuzo Koshiro composed every track (aside from that one) in exception of Fountain of Dreams, composed by Mieko Ishikawa. As you understand, both Yuzo and Mieko were inside Sound Team JDK.
> I knew atleast that Yuzo was in Sound Team JDK ...
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Sound Team JDK is just a trick by Falcom, so the original artist shouldn't get copyrights. I don't think Yuzo composed anything else than YS and YS 2 (and perhaps some other early titles like Xanadu) for Falcom.
I assume that's why we always saw "Game (c) 1990 Sega" and "Music (c) 1990 Yuzo Koshiro" at the titlescreen of so many games.
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> I think we both see this in a different way, I know Sound Team JDK's songs are truly amazing and I think they beat the crap out of the music from the Final Fantasy games, but making these tunes sound good on a SMS PSG or FM unit is an accomplishment aswell, and therefor I think Bo, Ippo and Neko (the game credit it to Neko right, and not Nekko?) should be the ones first credited since they did the versions of the songs we're listening to.
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Never played the game. Heh. I just remembered it as Nekko. :P
To say the truth, i hate playing games. I think it is boring as hell. Very boring. It's just that the music deserve it.
Of course, Falcoms music is usually superior to Square's music.
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> I actually think Maxim should decide how we should solve this since he's the one maintaining the VGM archive =)
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That's pretty obvious. But JDK should get credit.
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> > Did I mention that not mentioning the original composer(s) for the biggest names in the video game music industry (in exception of stuff like Final Fantasy) is a crime?
> In a way, you did. And I agree, I'm ashamed I didn't even mention Soundteam JDK in the textfile. Don't know if I did in the updated package I sent to Maxim about a year ago or two =)
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By the way, have you heard Xanadu / Anthem before? Listening to it now, oh holy shit! I think it is on Falcom Classics (1).
I hope some video game music-loving Falcom fans will come here soon, as I really don't know anything about Sound Team JDK / Falcom in general in comparision to many.
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:34 am |
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> (I must just say that again; it is extremely unfair that neither J.D.K nor Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa, who COMPOSED the music of the game aren't in the author field.)
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I updated the index listing. I can't update the VGMs, this *&$% computer is a Linux box. I'll try to dig out the updated pack; for what it's worth, I have hacked Ys so there is no problem to rip any missing tracks. Even thinking of the FM trimming problem makes me feel ill so sadly it will have to wait...
Maxim
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