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Grass-eatin'me
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:56 pm |
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When surfing trough the VGM archive, I noticed some wrong authors:
Ys: The Vanished Omens - Is either Sound Team JDK, or Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa. Officialy it is JDK.
Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version. My Sonic the Hedgehog 2 rips also say Yuzo Koshiro (because I believed the Sonic 1 rip), and if whoever responsible for adding the soundtracks could remove that (and add the correct author), please do it.
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Look above
Ninja Gaiden - More Yamasan
Why does the VGM Archive site state that Tokuhiko Uwabo made Ys, when the archive doesn't? Are 'Bo' always Tokuhiko? That is slightly incorrect, as he didn't compose anything on that game. (he may have done the programming though)
And I think I have it in my database who composed Popolous, but I cannot remember.
reliable sources; gmronline.com
I don't really know what policy you have on editing already posted soundtracks, but correct information is always prefered.
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Maxim
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:51 pm |
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> When surfing trough the VGM archive, I noticed some wrong authors:
> Ys: The Vanished Omens - Is either Sound Team JDK, or Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa. Officialy it is JDK.
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The game credits Bo, Ippo and Neko. Bo and Ippo are known Sega programmers/musicians, but they may well have merely converted the original music. While the end result is very much the result of their effort, the original composer still deserves credit... but finding the information is very hard, especially since I don't speak (or read) Japanese. The site you gave seems good though.
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> Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
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Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
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> My Sonic the Hedgehog 2 rips also say Yuzo Koshiro (because I believed the Sonic 1 rip), and if whoever responsible for adding the soundtracks could remove that (and add the correct author), please do it.
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Sonic 2's soundtrack is precisely 0% related to Sonic 1's, as much as any other game. No composer, programmer or janitor is guaranteeed to be the same for two game projects, no matter if they are sequels (Sega's in-house "teams" notwithstanding).
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> Ninja Gaiden - More Yamasan
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He did the Ni****do version, is it the same music? The game credits "Fumi".
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> Why does the VGM Archive site state that Tokuhiko Uwabo made Ys, when the archive doesn't? Are 'Bo' always Tokuhiko? That is slightly incorrect, as he didn't compose anything on that game. (he may have done the programming though)
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Yes, the information "Bo" = Tokuhiko Uwabo is somewhat late-breaking - Hex125 from vorc.org once had a page with information on old Sega programmers and he didn't know his real name. But the clouds are clearing and the evidence seems to point that way.
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> And I think I have it in my database who composed Popolous, but I cannot remember.
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Again, there's the original composer, and the SMS version which is probably a conversion (I don't know the original version so I can't tell) and therefore deserving additional credit.
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> reliable sources; gmronline.com
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Semi-reliable I'd say. I'd prefer scans of inlay text and even then it can be doubted a little bit. The same album has varying information from different sources.
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> I don't really know what policy you have on editing already posted soundtracks, but correct information is always prefered.
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We add 0.01, re-tag and post it as updated.
Anyway, this is probably a good time to mention the old composer credit argument - namely that we can never be sure who the composer is. While in the good old 8-bit days it was common for the composer, sequencer and music engine programmer (if not more) to be one person, there is still the problem of conversions, where we need to know the original composer, and music "inspired" by other pieces (mainly classical). In those days, it was Sega practice to only allow programmer credits by pseudonym, not name (it has been suggested this was to avoid having their staff "poached" by rivals since nobody knew who they were) so in many cases we can't know who they really are. If Bo is Tokuhiko Uwabo, who is Hairy Uwa? How about Noah Toku? One and the same maybe? I just found a site saying Ippo is Izuho Takeuchi, but Google only finds one such site, so is it right? How much more would I learn if I could search for those names in Japanese? How unfortunate is it that conversion to Romaji is lossy so I couldn't be sure how to convert back even if I knew how? Composer research is enough of a nightmare as it is (I generally spend a few hours, but it can take whole days and often remains uncertain due to the fact that the internet is full of crap).
So, for now, you should read no more into the Author (deliberately not Composer) credit than what is written here:
Author
The name of the person who composed the track, or at least who is credited with "sound". Check:
- the game credits (eg. Sonic the Hedgehog)
- the manual (eg. Cosmic Spacehead)
- other people's brains - some people know stuff that isn't easy to find. For example, Shinichi Sakamoto wrote the music for all of West One's games, but I only know that because he personally told that to Bock.
- the internet
Maxim
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Tom
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:06 pm |
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> > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
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Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
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unfnknblvbl
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| Sonic music.. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:17 pm |
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> > > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> > Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
> Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
> Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
> Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
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Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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In the archive, the space for composer to Thunder Blade says Unknwon instead of Unknown...
hm... Hairy Uwa = Tokuhiko Uwabo? hm... if you want me to correct this in the Choplifter soundtrack, I'll do it ^^
also, on Zillion soundtrack it says Bo, on all vgz files. Shouldn't it be Tokuhiko Uwabo?
and one more thing:
Fantasy Zone 3: the Maze (Opa Opa)
Zillion 2: Tri Formation
On these games, I want to know who is the composer, cause it's the only information that escapes me before I send the soundtracks for them... ^_^
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Bock
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:40 am |
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> Zillion 2: Tri Formation
> On these games, I want to know who is the composer, cause it's the only information that escapes me before I send the soundtracks for them... ^_^
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For the Zillion serie, although I don't know the video game music composer, you may want to credit the original anime composer as well.
The english introduction of the anime credits "Jun Irie" for music.
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MarcK
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:44 am |
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> If Bo is Tokuhiko Uwabo, who is Hairy Uwa? How about Noah Toku? One and the same maybe?
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""The NOAH TOKU" of music is Bo you (afterwards ' miracle world of alec skid ' charge). Before still becoming the Bo."
From a Babelfish translation of http://www.sega.co.jp/community/album/05_fz/interview5.html
I bet there are a lot of usefull information on those www.sega.co.jp/community/album/ sites, but it's hard to know if you don't understand japanese :)
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Grass-eatin'me
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:16 pm |
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> Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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I see then. That is probably why I mixed these versions. If anyone can correct my Sonic the Hedge 2 author, then I'll be glad.
But if Masato is the sound producer, shouldn't he be in the Author field too?
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Grass-eatin'me
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:38 pm |
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> > When surfing trough the VGM archive, I noticed some wrong authors:
> > Ys: The Vanished Omens - Is either Sound Team JDK, or Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa. Officialy it is JDK.
> The game credits Bo, Ippo and Neko. Bo and Ippo are known Sega programmers/musicians, but they may well have merely converted the original music. While the end result is very much the result of their effort, the original composer still deserves credit... but finding the information is very hard, especially since I don't speak (or read) Japanese. The site you gave seems good though.
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Very very very many YS fans would consider it blasphemy, giving credits to Bo, Ippo and Neko, when every single real game music interested human being in the world know that Sound Team JDK composed it. That JDK composed Ys is even more reliable than that Nobuo Uematsu somposed Final Fantasy, and Koji Kondo (evil) Mario. I mentioned Yuzo and Mieko Ishikawa becuase they were the members of Soundteam JDK at that time. But that info isn't offical, so just forget that. Sound Team JDK have composed ALL of Falcom's games. And is really just a cover, for not spoiling the true composers names.
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> > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
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OK I was wrong, sorry. Have you got any reliabe source, for the MD version?
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> > My Sonic the Hedgehog 2 rips also say Yuzo Koshiro (because I believed the Sonic 1 rip), and if whoever responsible for adding the soundtracks could remove that (and add the correct author), please do it.
> Sonic 2's soundtrack is precisely 0% related to Sonic 1's, as much as any other game. No composer, programmer or janitor is guaranteeed to be the same for two game projects, no matter if they are sequels (Sega's in-house "teams" notwithstanding).
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I assumed the composer to be the same.
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> > Ninja Gaiden - More Yamasan
> He did the Ni****do version, is it the same music? The game credits "Fumi".
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I have no idea, I can check it.
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> > Why does the VGM Archive site state that Tokuhiko Uwabo made Ys, when the archive doesn't? Are 'Bo' always Tokuhiko? That is slightly incorrect, as he didn't compose anything on that game. (he may have done the programming though)
> Yes, the information "Bo" = Tokuhiko Uwabo is somewhat late-breaking - Hex125 from vorc.org once had a page with information on old Sega programmers and he didn't know his real name. But the clouds are clearing and the evidence seems to point that way.
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As I said, Ys is one of the biggest games, musically which exists, you should understand if you listen to the music ;) AND giving the programmer credits for that music isn't right.
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> > And I think I have it in my database who composed Popolous, but I cannot remember.
> Again, there's the original composer, and the SMS version which is probably a conversion (I don't know the original version so I can't tell) and therefore deserving additional credit.
> > reliable sources; gmronline.com
> Semi-reliable I'd say. I'd prefer scans of inlay text and even then it can be doubted a little bit. The same album has varying information from different sources.
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Albums doesn't usually have varying info from different sources. If gmronline isn't reliable, what sources are reialbe then?
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> > I don't really know what policy you have on editing already posted soundtracks, but correct information is always prefered.
> We add 0.01, re-tag and post it as updated.
> Anyway, this is probably a good time to mention the old composer credit argument - namely that we can never be sure who the composer is. While in the good old 8-bit days it was common for the composer, sequencer and music engine programmer (if not more) to be one person, there is still the problem of conversions, where we need to know the original composer, and music "inspired" by other pieces (mainly classical). In those days, it was Sega practice to only allow programmer credits by pseudonym, not name (it has been suggested this was to avoid having their staff "poached" by rivals since nobody knew who they were) so in many cases we can't know who they really are. If Bo is Tokuhiko Uwabo, who is Hairy Uwa? How about Noah Toku? One and the same maybe? I just found a site saying Ippo is Izuho Takeuchi, but Google only finds one such site, so is it right? How much more would I learn if I could search for those names in Japanese? How unfortunate is it that conversion to Romaji is lossy so I couldn't be sure how to convert back even if I knew how? Composer research is enough of a nightmare as it is (I generally spend a few hours, but it can take whole days and often remains uncertain due to the fact that the internet is full of crap).
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Usually, the conversion problem can be solved by figuring out which game came out first. And (taking Ys as an example) when a game have OVER 30 official releases of soundtracks/arranges with it's music, all stating that Sound Team JDK did the music, why write Bo, Ippo and Neko, then you DO KNOW that they were responisible for the conversion?
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> So, for now, you should read no more into the Author (deliberately not Composer) credit than what is written here:
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> The name of the person who composed the track, or at least who is credited with "sound". Check:
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> - the game credits (eg. Sonic the Hedgehog)
> - the manual (eg. Cosmic Spacehead)
> - other people's brains - some people know stuff that isn't easy to find. For example, Shinichi Sakamoto wrote the music for all of West One's games, but I only know that because he personally told that to Bock.
> - the internet
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> Maxim
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I love that track and always wanted to hear the real recording of the song that was used for that level, but i dont have a name to go with and i just keep finding the game sound track, can someone please Email! me the the name of the band so i can get a copy of they're album. Also if you know the album's name id be in your debt!
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> > > > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> > > Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
> > Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
> > Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
> > Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
> Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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Masato Nakamura is in a J-Pop band called Dreams Come True (http://www.dctgarden.com) and he wrote the original music in Sonic and Sonic 2. As far as I know, DCT have never made a propar recording of the Green Hill Zone music... the only recording of a sonic tune made by DCT is a track called "Sweet Sweet Sweet" on the album The Swinging Star. This track was used in Sonic 2 on the menu screens and played just before the end credits when Sonic is falling down from death egg and Tails catches him with the plane. You can download the DCT recording here:http://www.sonic-cult.org/sweet.htm
I'm a big fan of Sonic, DCT and the music of Sonic myself!
Hope this helps
James
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Masato Nakamura is in a J-Pop band called Dreams Come True (http://www.dctgarden.com) and he wrote the original music in Sonic and Sonic 2. As far as I know, DCT have never made a propar recording of the Green Hill Zone music... the only recording of a sonic tune made by DCT is a track called "Sweet Sweet Sweet" on the album The Swinging Star. This track was used in Sonic 2 on the menu screens and played just before the end credits when Sonic is falling down from death egg and Tails catches him with the plane. You can download the DCT recording here:http://www.sonic-cult.org/sweet.htm
I'm a big fan of Sonic, DCT and the music of Sonic myself!
Hope this helps
James
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> Masato Nakamura is in a J-Pop band called Dreams Come True (http://www.dctgarden.com) and he wrote the original music in Sonic and Sonic 2. As far as I know, DCT have never made a propar recording of the Green Hill Zone music... the only recording of a sonic tune made by DCT is a track called "Sweet Sweet Sweet" on the album The Swinging Star. This track was used in Sonic 2 on the menu screens and played just before the end credits when Sonic is falling down from death egg and Tails catches him with the plane. You can download the DCT recording here:http://www.sonic-cult.org/sweet.htm
> I'm a big fan of Sonic, DCT and the music of Sonic myself!
> Hope this helps
> James
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> I love that track and always wanted to hear the real recording of the song that was used for that level, but i dont have a name to go with and i just keep finding the game sound track, can someone please Email! me the the name of the band so i can get a copy of they're album. Also if you know the album's name id be in your debt!
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> > > > > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> > > > Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
> > > Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
> > > Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
> > > Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
> > Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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> > > > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> > > Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
> > Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
> > Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
> > Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
> Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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> > > > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> > > Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
> > Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
> > Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
> > Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
> Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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> > > > Sonic the Hedgehog - It says Yuzo Koshiro, but my source say it is Masato Nakamura. He composed the MD version, which is (nearly) identical to the SMS/GG version.
> > > Wrong - the SMS version is competely different to the MD version. (Bear with me here as a fairly clueless non-expert.) The MD version's songs were by a J-POP band, but the SMS version's was composed in-house.
> > Well well well... just look at the credit roll. In the SMS version it say that (do you want screenshot's PNGs?)
> > Sound Produce: Masato Nakamura
> > Rearrange and Original Music: Yuzo Koshiro
> Yuzo Koshiro wrote all the music in Sonic on the SMS/GG except for the Title and Greenhill Zone music, which Sega insisted on including in all versions.
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