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Musha Aleste: Full Metal Fighter Ellinor for Sega Mark III

Hmm... if it's real then it's very good. The graphics seem too good at first.

I agree with what Maxim said: if this is true, then it's really awesome. On the other hand, such kind of videos are very easy to fake.

Looks real to me, especially because of sprite limits. Very awesome !

TmEE wrote

Looks real to me, especially because of sprite limits. Very awesome !

Which could be faked.

The description says it's being played in Fusion, though.

Looks great. I hope that it's a real SMS/MK3 game and that they'll release it eventually.

I think it's real.
If not, how could it have been done?

My only suspicion comes from unfamiliarity with other versions of the game, to tell if it's a hack on some other platform rather than an SMS original. The use of sprites for the score seems odd, as it leaves so few left for enemies in the top area of the screen. If the rest of the game is so proficient, how would that happen? The music seems pretty good and authentic to the chip, which is hard to fake.

Perhaps i should have mentioned that it's being developed by the programmer behind Blade Buster for NES.

Yes, it's may not be optimal to use sprites for the score. A good excuse is that the original Aleste games on GG and SMS do the same :)

If you look at the Mega Drive original, you'll see how it's tuned down in various ways. For example, the satellites are there, but the secondary weapon (bombs etc.) is missing. At around 1:10 the shooting direction of the satellites is changed.

Kinda feels like a partial hack of Power Strike 2. Looks great, tho!

Maxim wrote

My only suspicion comes from unfamiliarity with other versions of the game, to tell if it's a hack on some other platform rather than an SMS original. The use of sprites for the score seems odd, as it leaves so few left for enemies in the top area of the screen. If the rest of the game is so proficient, how would that happen? The music seems pretty good and authentic to the chip, which is hard to fake.

How would you keep the score from scrolling with the background if not using sprites without giving up the right most 8 columns? I also think the music sounds quite authentic - especially with the restrictions (not enough channels to play all tunes of the music while the sound of huge enemies being hit is played)

Right. I don't see any other (fast) solution...
Edit: You can have a single color bar at top or bottom of the screen with sprites on it for the score, with its own sprite table to clip off the sprites from the main playfield.
(Could it be possible to do some trickery with the old TMS modi? They don't do any scrolling.)

This seems to be FAW's website: http://www.aoi.sakura.ne.jp/~starparo/index.html

Blade Buster is available for download, Musha Aleste is not (yet?).

Maxim wrote

Hmm... if it's real then it's very good. The graphics seem too good at first.

Every Compile game I've played seems too good to be true. Their graphics and sound always seem to be a class apart from other SMS/GG games.

I'm no expert, but based on the Compile games I've played, it looks like the real deal.

Okay, but this was not made by Compile. It's an unauthorized homebrew port of the Mega Drive game someone did in his spare time.

On a shmup the top of the screen is pretty busy, and it's where most enemies enter so having partial invisibility up there is pretty annoying. The enemy patterns may make this not an issue, if they appear without overlapping. But I think using the bottom 8 pixels of the screen would work better.

I look forward to the release.

FAW has been busy this year, really impressive work!

http://www.aoi.sakura.ne.jp/~starparo/menu3.htm

Block Gal
TwinBee

Plus some demo rom releases;

Tatsujin Title Screen
Dragon Spirit Title Screen
Side Scrolling Demo
Yaksa Title Screen
Double Sprite Demo
Xevious Title Screen

tatsujindemo.zip (64.12 KB)

dspirit.zip (64.12 KB)

magicaldemo.zip (64.12 KB)

yaksatitle.zip (32.11 KB)

spritedoublertest.zip (32.12 KB)

xevioustitle.zip (32.12 KB)

the twinbee video is amazing!!

They seem really impressive!

BKK wrote

TwinBee

Wow, this guy should go back in time and help SEGA save the Master System.

Now if somebody could help him implement FM music, that would be just perfect.

Martin wrote

I think it's real.
If not, how could it have been done?

Sure, but a little text message is easy to make. =)
I think the question really was how much work and skill went into this, if it is based on existing work or completly his own (well except for assets adapted from MUSHA). So we took a closer look back then and I believed it's his very own work. I still agree to me on this. =)

This guy should do kickstarters. I'll back it! Looks incredible.

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Kjell Joined: 27 Nov 2011 Posts: 26	M.U.S.H.A. Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:05 pm
Kjell Joined: 27 Nov 2011 Posts: 26	Musha Aleste: Full Metal Fighter Ellinor for Sega Mark III

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14738 Location: London	Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:42 pm
	Hmm... if it's real then it's very good. The graphics seem too good at first.

haroldoop Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 874 Location: Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil	Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:35 pm
	I agree with what Maxim said: if this is true, then it's really awesome. On the other hand, such kind of videos are very easy to fake.

TmEE Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 853 Location: Estonia, Rapla city	Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:09 pm
	Looks real to me, especially because of sprite limits. Very awesome !

olaf Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 256 Location: NYC	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:27 am
olaf Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 256 Location: NYC	TmEE wrote Looks real to me, especially because of sprite limits. Very awesome ! Which could be faked.

CRV Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 668	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:05 pm
CRV Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 668	The description says it's being played in Fusion, though.

mic_ Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 161	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:55 pm
mic_ Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 161	Looks great. I hope that it's a real SMS/MK3 game and that they'll release it eventually.

Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:26 pm
Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	I think it's real. If not, how could it have been done?

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14738 Location: London	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:15 pm
	My only suspicion comes from unfamiliarity with other versions of the game, to tell if it's a hack on some other platform rather than an SMS original. The use of sprites for the score seems odd, as it leaves so few left for enemies in the top area of the screen. If the rest of the game is so proficient, how would that happen? The music seems pretty good and authentic to the chip, which is hard to fake.

Kjell Joined: 27 Nov 2011 Posts: 26	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:02 pm Last edited by Kjell on Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
Kjell Joined: 27 Nov 2011 Posts: 26	Perhaps i should have mentioned that it's being developed by the programmer behind Blade Buster for NES.

Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:06 pm
Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Yes, it's may not be optimal to use sprites for the score. A good excuse is that the original Aleste games on GG and SMS do the same :) If you look at the Mega Drive original, you'll see how it's tuned down in various ways. For example, the satellites are there, but the secondary weapon (bombs etc.) is missing. At around 1:10 the shooting direction of the satellites is changed.

ccovell Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 374 Location: Japan	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:09 pm
ccovell Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 374 Location: Japan	Kinda feels like a partial hack of Power Strike 2. Looks great, tho!

Calindro Joined: 14 Apr 2013 Posts: 624	Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:45 pm
Calindro Joined: 14 Apr 2013 Posts: 624	Maxim wrote My only suspicion comes from unfamiliarity with other versions of the game, to tell if it's a hack on some other platform rather than an SMS original. The use of sprites for the score seems odd, as it leaves so few left for enemies in the top area of the screen. If the rest of the game is so proficient, how would that happen? The music seems pretty good and authentic to the chip, which is hard to fake. How would you keep the score from scrolling with the background if not using sprites without giving up the right most 8 columns? I also think the music sounds quite authentic - especially with the restrictions (not enough channels to play all tunes of the music while the sound of huge enemies being hit is played)

Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:11 am Last edited by Martin on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:05 pm; edited 1 time in total
Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Right. I don't see any other (fast) solution... Edit: You can have a single color bar at top or bottom of the screen with sprites on it for the score, with its own sprite table to clip off the sprites from the main playfield. (Could it be possible to do some trickery with the old TMS modi? They don't do any scrolling.)

Christuserloeser Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Pangea	Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:13 am
	This seems to be FAW's website: http://www.aoi.sakura.ne.jp/~starparo/index.html Blade Buster is available for download, Musha Aleste is not (yet?).

English Invader Joined: 30 Aug 2009 Posts: 162 Location: Hertfordshire, UK	Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:04 am
	Maxim wrote Hmm... if it's real then it's very good. The graphics seem too good at first. Every Compile game I've played seems too good to be true. Their graphics and sound always seem to be a class apart from other SMS/GG games. I'm no expert, but based on the Compile games I've played, it looks like the real deal.

Christuserloeser Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Pangea	Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:20 am
	Okay, but this was not made by Compile. It's an unauthorized homebrew port of the Mega Drive game someone did in his spare time.

Maxim Site Admin Joined: 19 Oct 1999 Posts: 14738 Location: London	Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:54 am
	On a shmup the top of the screen is pretty busy, and it's where most enemies enter so having partial invisibility up there is pretty annoying. The enemy patterns may make this not an issue, if they appear without overlapping. But I think using the bottom 8 pixels of the screen would work better. I look forward to the release.

BKK Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 467	Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:45 pm
BKK Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 467	FAW has been busy this year, really impressive work! http://www.aoi.sakura.ne.jp/~starparo/menu3.htm Block Gal TwinBee Plus some demo rom releases; Tatsujin Title Screen Dragon Spirit Title Screen Side Scrolling Demo Yaksa Title Screen Double Sprite Demo Xevious Title Screen tatsujindemo.zip (64.12 KB) dspirit.zip (64.12 KB) magicaldemo.zip (64.12 KB) yaksatitle.zip (32.11 KB) spritedoublertest.zip (32.12 KB) xevioustitle.zip (32.12 KB)

kusfo Joined: 29 Mar 2012 Posts: 886 Location: Spain	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:28 am
kusfo Joined: 29 Mar 2012 Posts: 886 Location: Spain	the twinbee video is amazing!!

haroldoop Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 874 Location: Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:33 am
	They seem really impressive!

ICEknight Joined: 03 Apr 2001 Posts: 601 Location: Asturias	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:17 pm
	BKK wrote TwinBee Wow, this guy should go back in time and help SEGA save the Master System. Now if somebody could help him implement FM music, that would be just perfect.

ApolloBoy Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 313 Location: San Jose, CA	Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:34 am
	Martin wrote I think it's real. If not, how could it have been done? LOL, did anyone not notice the 2013 copyright on the title screen?

Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:18 pm
Martin Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 273	Sure, but a little text message is easy to make. =) I think the question really was how much work and skill went into this, if it is based on existing work or completly his own (well except for assets adapted from MUSHA). So we took a closer look back then and I believed it's his very own work. I still agree to me on this. =)

D Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 250 Location: Almere, The Netherlands	Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:43 pm
	This guy should do kickstarters. I'll back it! Looks incredible.

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