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Post Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:07 pm
As Im nearing completion of my PAL collection (about 75 titles to go of which at least 50 very easy to find) Im trying to figure the total amount of titles released in PAL format.
Im EXCLUDING variations such as KIXX, Virgin/Image works, Sega Classic rereleases etc.

Im coming around 290-295 releases.

Please give me info on these titles (correct me when wrong:

-Alf -Us only?
-American Baseball - PAL
-American Pro football - see above.
-Astro warrior stand alone - US only?
-Astro warrior pit pot combo - PAL
-Buster douglas boxing - Unsure
-Excellent dizzy - Proto only
-Great '...' releases, all PAL?
-Hang on/astro warrior/ - Hangon Safari hunt - PAL?
-Kings quest - US only?
-Mahjong - HK only?
-Marksman trap blahblahblah combos? - PAL
-Montezumas revenge - US only?
-Pat riley basketball - UR PAL? Proto?
-Rambo - CAN only
-Rambo II - Secret command PAL?
-Reggie J. B.B - US only
-Spiderman vs xmen - Unreleased
-Walter pay. football - US only
-Where in the world is .. - US only?!

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> As Im nearing completion of my PAL collection (about 75 titles to go of which at least 50 very easy to find) Im trying to figure the total amount of titles released in PAL format.
> Im EXCLUDING variations such as KIXX, Virgin/Image works, Sega Classic rereleases etc.

Check http://www.smspower.org/museum/lists/smsall.txt
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Post Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:56 pm
I'm chasing the same goal myself, and from what I've seen (largely Bock's excellent list) there's 280 'proper' European/Australian PAL releases (I'm missing about 28 :) ). That includes the Image Works/Virgin variations, but not Kixx/Classic reissues. I'll give you a copy of the list I'm working from, if you want.

It's complicated by the fact that lots of US games were imported here after the SMS died an early Stateside death, which is why US releases pop up on eBay UK fairly often.

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> -Alf -Us only?
Yup.

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> -American Baseball - PAL
> -American Pro football - see above.
Yup.

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> -Astro warrior stand alone - US only?
> -Astro warrior pit pot combo - PAL
Yup, yup.

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> -Buster douglas boxing - Unsure
US only.

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> -Excellent dizzy - Proto only
Yup.

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> -Great '...' releases, all PAL?
The Great Soccer cartridge was only sold as 'World Soccer' (the Great Soccer card is a different game)
Great Ice Hockey is US-only (as is the Sports Pad).

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> -Hang on/astro warrior/ - Hangon Safari hunt - PAL?
Nope, US only (I think).

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> -Kings quest - US only?
> -Montezumas revenge - US only?
> -Where in the world is .. - US only?!
No genuine Euro copies exist, although US copies of Carmen were definitely distributed over here in stores. I'm not so sure on Kings Quest & Montezuma's, but there's a fair chance they also were.

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> -Mahjong - HK only?
Probably :)

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> -Marksman trap blahblahblah combos? - PAL
Yup.

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> -Pat riley basketball - UR PAL? Proto?
There's an NTSC proto. No PAL version AFAIK.

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> -Rambo - CAN only
> -Rambo II - Secret command PAL?
Yeah, just released as Secret Command over here.

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> -Reggie J. B.B - US only
> -Walter pay. football - US only
Yup.

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> -Spiderman vs xmen - Unreleased
I believe so.
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Post Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:09 pm
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> I'll give you a copy of the list I'm working from, if you want.

Actually, I'll just c&p from my spreadsheet - here's the list of the 280 'genuine' European releases. I think it agrees with Bock's smsall.txt, but if anyone can spot any errors I'd love to know! :)

Ace of Aces
Action Fighter
Addams Family
Aerial Assault
Afterburner
Air Rescue
Aladdin
Alex Kidd in High Tech World
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Alex Kidd in Shinobi World
Alex Kidd: The Lost Stars
Alien 3
Alien Storm
Alien Syndrome
Altered Beast
American Baseball
American Pro Football
Andre Agassi Tennis
Arcade Smash Hits
Assault City [light phaser version]
Assault City [pad version]
Asterix
Asterix and the Great Rescue
Asterix and the Secret Mission
Astro Warrior/Pit Pot
Ayrton Senna's Super Monaco GP 2
Aztec Adventure
Back to the Future 2
Back to the Future 3
Bank Panic
Bank Panic [card]
Bart vs the Space Mutants
Bart vs the World
Basketball Nightmare
Batman Returns
Battle Outrun
Black Belt
Blade Eagle 3D
Bomber Raid
Bonanza Bros
Bram Stokers 'Dracula'
Bubble Bobble
Buggy Run
California Games
California Games II
Captain Silver
Casino Games
Champions of Europe
Championship Hockey
Chase HQ
Choplifter
Chuck Rock
Chuck Rock 2
Cloud Master
Columns
Cool Spot
Cosmic Spacehead
Crash Test Dummies
Cyber Shinobi
Cyborg Hunter
Daffy Duck in Hollywood
Danan: Jungle Fighter
Dead Angle
Desert Speedtrap
Desert Strike
Dick Tracy
Donald Duck in Deep Duck Trouble
Donald Duck: Lucky Dime Caper
Double Dragon
Double Hawk
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
Dragon Crystal
Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story
Dynamite Duke
Dynamite Dux
Ecco the Dolphin
Enduro Racer
E-Swat
F1
F-16 Fighter
F-16 Fighter [card]
Fantastic Dizzy
Fantasy Zone
Fantasy Zone II
Fantasy Zone: The Maze
Fire & Forget II
Flash, The
Flintstones
Forgotton Worlds
Gain Ground
Galaxy Force
Ganster Town
Gauntlet
George Foreman's KO Boxing
Ghost House
Ghost House [card]
Ghostbusters
Ghouls & Ghosts
Global Defense
Global Gladiators
G-LOC
Golden Axe
Golden Axe Warrior
Golfamania
Golvellius
GP Rider
Great Baseball
Great Basketball
Great Football
Great Golf
Great Soccer [card]
Great Volleyball
Hang On
Hang On [card]
Heavyweight Champ
Heroes of the Lance
Home Alone
Impossible Mission
Incredible Hulk, The
Indiana Jones & Last Crusade
James Bond 007: The Duel
James Pond 2: Robocod
Joe Montana Football
Jungle Book
Jurassic Park
Kenseiden
Klax
Krusty's Super Fun House
Kung Fu Kid
Laser Ghost
Lemmings
Line of Fire
Lion King, The
Lord of the Sword
Marble Madness
Marksman Shooting/Trap Shooting/Safari Hunt
Master Games 1
Master of Darkness
Masters of Combat
Maze Hunter 3D
Mercs
Micheal Jackson's Moonwalker
Mickey Mouse: Castle of Illusion
Mickey Mouse: Land of Illusion
Micro Machines
Miracle Warriors
Missile Defense 3D
Monopoly
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat II
Ms Pacman
My Hero
My Hero [card]
New Zealand Story, The
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja, The
Olympic Gold
Operation Wolf
Ottifants, The
Outrun
Outrun 3D
Outrun Europa
Pacmania
Paperboy
Parlour Games
Penguin Land
PGA Tour Golf
Phantasy Star
Pit Fighter
Populous
Poseiden Wars 3D
Power Strike
Power Strike II
Predator 2
Prince of Persia
Pro Wrestling
Psychic World
Psycho Fox
Putt & Putter
Quartet
Rainbow Islands
Rambo III
Rampage
Rampart
Rastan
RC Grand Prix
Renegade
Rescue Mission
Road Rash
Robocop 3
Robocop vs Terminator
Rocky
R-Type
Running Battle
Sagaia
Scramble Spirits
Secret Command
Sega Chess
Sega World Tournament Golf
Sensible Soccer
Shadow Dancer
Shadow of the Beast
Shanghai
Shinobi
Shooting Gallery
Slap Shot
Smurfs, The
Smurfs Travel the World, The
Sonic Chaos
Sonic Spinball
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Space Gun
Space Harrier
Space Harrier 3D
Special Criminal Investigation
Speedball [Image Works]
Speedball [Virgin]
Speedball 2
Speedy Gonzales in Cheese Catastrophe
Spellcaster
Spiderman
Spiderman: Sinister Six
Spy vs Spy
Spy vs Spy [card]
Star Wars
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Strider
Strider 2
Submarine Attack
Summer Games
Super Kick Off
Super Monaco GP
Super Off Road
Super Smash TV
Super Space Invaders
Super Tennis
Super Tennis [card]
Superman: The Man of Steel
T2: The Arcade Game
Taz-Mania
Tecmo World Cup '93
Teddy Boy
Teddy Boy [card]
Tennis Ace
T2: Judgement Day
Terminator, The
Thunder Blade
Time Soldiers
Tom and Jerry
Transbot
Transbot [card]
Trivial Pursuit
Ultima IV
Ultimate Soccer
Vigilante
Wanted
Wimbledon
Wimbledon 2
Winter Olympics
Wolfchild
Wonderboy
Wonderboy III - The Dragon's Trap
Wonderboy in Monster Land
Wonderboy in Monster World
World Class Leaderboard
World Cup Italia '90
World Cup USA '94
World Games
World Grand Prix
World Soccer
WWF Steel Cage Challenge
Xenon 2 [Image Works]
Xenon 2 [Virgin]
Y's: The Vanished Omens
Zaxxon 3D
Zillion
Zillion II: Tri Formation
Zool
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Post Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:41 pm
Seems pretty much what I thought it would be.

What rarer (well harder to find anyway) releases are you missing?

For me.. Power strike II, Buggy Run, Super off road,Championship hockey & Sega tournament golf.

Sonic spinball, Home Alone, Smurfs 2, Micro machines, Cosmic spacehead are in the bag. (thankfully)
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> Seems pretty much what I thought it would be.

> What rarer (well harder to find anyway) releases are you missing?

> For me.. Power strike II, Buggy Run, Super off road,Championship hockey & Sega tournament golf.

> Sonic spinball, Home Alone, Smurfs 2, Micro machines, Cosmic spacehead are in the bag. (thankfully)

Cosmic Spacehead isn't really that rare. It pops up often. Neither Micro Machines (maybe it's a less common than Cosmic Spacehead, thought) and Super Off Road, I'd say.

Smurfs 2 is definitively the rarest. Where did you got yours?
Buggy Run and Championship Hockey comes next.
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> > As Im nearing completion of my PAL collection (about 75 titles to go of which at least 50 very easy to find) Im trying to figure the total amount of titles released in PAL format.
> > Im EXCLUDING variations such as KIXX, Virgin/Image works, Sega Classic rereleases etc.

> Check http://www.smspower.org/museum/lists/smsall.txt

I've asked before and I'll ask again.
Is there any plan to add the game numbers to this list?

The game numbering system Sega used is logical and by far the best way of organising the games into the various families and it allows the easy recording of some of the game variants.
ie. World Grand Prix 5053 vs. World Grand Prix 5080 etc.

Here's one list with lots of the numbers (I this found on the web years ago and have added to it over time)
Its still missing lots of titles.
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~pinwhiz/smsgamelist.htm

Do you need volunteers to collect these?





 
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:05 am
I'd rank Home Alone, Robocop 3 and T2: Arcade all above Buggy Run - I've seen a few copies of that, but only one or two each of the others. I got my copy of Buggy Run for £1.99 about a month ago :)

The rarest ones I'm still missing are probably Smurfs 2, Champ. Hockey, Home Alone, Robocop 3, both T2's, Ultimate Soccer, Power Strike II and Daffy Duck.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:11 pm
Yeah you're right about Cosmic spacehead..well it was expensive a couple of years ago but those codemasters games really went down in price..

I got Smurfs 2 from IBazar (Dutch version Ebay back in 1999)
25 guilders, unopened. (12 euro ^_^)

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> > > As Im nearing completion of my PAL collection (about 75 titles to go of which at least 50 very easy to find) Im trying to figure the total amount of titles released in PAL format.
> > > Im EXCLUDING variations such as KIXX, Virgin/Image works, Sega Classic rereleases etc.

> > Check http://www.smspower.org/museum/lists/smsall.txt

> I've asked before and I'll ask again.
> Is there any plan to add the game numbers to this list?

YES.

I didn't really work on it yet, but started talking about it with Cortex. He wrote a very good, alternated list but it's in french.

I might convert the list to a database and output to HTML. The slight problem with text is that it's difficult to maintain a proper layout. What do you think?
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> Yeah you're right about Cosmic spacehead..well it was expensive a couple of years ago but those codemasters games really went down in price..

> I got Smurfs 2 from IBazar (Dutch version Ebay back in 1999)
> 25 guilders, unopened. (12 euro ^_^)

Do you remember the seller, where he was from?
I got a second copy from German eBay years ago, but handed it over to someone *grin*
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> I'd rank Home Alone, Robocop 3 and T2: Arcade all above Buggy Run - I've seen a few copies of that, but only one or two each of the others. I got my copy of Buggy Run for £1.99 about a month ago :)

> The rarest ones I'm still missing are probably Smurfs 2, Champ. Hockey, Home Alone, Robocop 3, both T2's, Ultimate Soccer, Power Strike II and Daffy Duck.

My copy of Buggy Run has washed out colors on the side. If someone has a spare one I'll take it.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:54 pm
Yeah. He was Dutch as well. He had like.. 10 copies..should've bought more..oh well at least I got ONE..didn't know that the game was so rare (and naturally neither did he)untill it went for $113.50 at ebay.com back in 2000 or so.

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> Yeah. He was Dutch as well. He had like.. 10 copies..should've bought more..oh well at least I got ONE..didn't know that the game was so rare (and naturally neither did he)untill it went for $113.50 at ebay.com back in 2000 or so.

Do you remember his eBay name?
I think it's the same person from who all known copies originated.
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> I might convert the list to a database and output to HTML. The slight problem with text is that it's difficult to maintain a proper layout. What do you think?

Most Office apps like Word and Excel can output to text with layout. Failing that, exporting to HTML and then saving as text can work.

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> > I'd rank Home Alone, Robocop 3 and T2: Arcade all above Buggy Run - I've seen a few copies of that, but only one or two each of the others. I got my copy of Buggy Run for £1.99 about a month ago :)

> > The rarest ones I'm still missing are probably Smurfs 2, Champ. Hockey, Home Alone, Robocop 3, both T2's, Ultimate Soccer, Power Strike II and Daffy Duck.

I'd agree that most of those are some of the hardest titles to find, personally to complete my Pal release collection I need:

Great Soccer (Card), boxed Hang On (card), Championship Hockey,
Speedy Gonzales in Cheese Catastrophe, Home Alone, Smurfs2,
Ultimate Soccer.

+ I would like a few variants: Assault City (7040 – Light Phaser), World Grand Prix (5035)

So if anyone has any of these for trade sing out :)

The Light Phaser Assault City is a curious one - is it as rare as it seems?, or do I just need to look harder at all the normal copies of Assault City?
The last time I saw it sold on uk ebay it was the right cart but it came in the normal 7034 version box. Seller said he bought it new like that.

Buggy Run is relatively easy to find here in New Zealand as are the T2s.
 
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> Great Soccer (Card), boxed Hang On (card), Championship Hockey,
> Speedy Gonzales in Cheese Catastrophe, Home Alone, Smurfs2,
> Ultimate Soccer.

Bah! I traded away a copy of the Great Soccer card just last week. Your best bet is to keep an eye on German eBay - they pop up every now and again, and usually sell for €10-€20.

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> The Light Phaser Assault City is a curious one - is it as rare as it seems?, or do I just need to look harder at all the normal copies of Assault City?
> The last time I saw it sold on uk ebay it was the right cart but it came in the normal 7034 version box. Seller said he bought it new like that.

Yeah, I got mine dirt-cheap by checking every Assault City that appears (it's in the 7040 box). Sooner or later there will be a phaser one.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:03 pm
Not really. He was around at the Gamefaqs board as well.

My ebay feedback history doesn't ring a bell.

You have any ideas? I think I'd reconize it.

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> Not really. He was around at the Gamefaqs board as well.

> My ebay feedback history doesn't ring a bell.

> You have any ideas? I think I'd reconize it.

Pelikonepeijoonit, or something like that as a user name?
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No I dont think so. Like I said he's was Dutch. Sounds like a Danish name to me.
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> No I dont think so. Like I said he's was Dutch. Sounds like a Danish name to me.


Finnish, to be precise :)
So, this *suggests* that there are copies out there other than Mikko's stash, right?
All the ones I've heard about in the past seem to have stemmed from the Pelikonepeijoonit guys, but I was never sure if this was really the case or just Usenet rumours.

Does anyone have any solid info about Smurfs 2 in general? Any idea how many Mikko & Manu found? How many are circulating?

The last one I've heard of that was sold changed hands for around €200.
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Haha, amusing what a Google search can turn up...

I'll give you my official version of the story now.

I found something around 10 to 15 mint, boxed copies of Smurfs 2 in the Czech Republic in early 2000. I bought two or three immediately, then had my fiancée (working in Prague at that point) buy some more after I realised how much interest it created. All in all, something like 5-8 copies. In late 2000/early 2001 my brother went back to CZ on holiday, I asked him to pick up any Smurfs 2s there might still be around. He brought back less than 10 copies, saying that the rest (5 to 10) were in really poor physical condition. During my final visit to Prague in early 2002 there was no sign of the games anymore where I had originally found them.

This one sale on eBay Germany that Omar Cornut mentions in his description of Smurfs 2 is the only one that I am totally unrelated to. All the other games around have passed through me at some stage in their life, as far as I know.

So, these ca. 15 games I have eBayed, donated and/or traded to the extent that I now have 2 copies of the game left. One is opened and tested, the other remains sealed. I still receive numerous inquiries about this game on a near-weekly basis, but the remaining copies are not for sale or trade - unless you happen to have a working Dreamcast devkit :)

As for pricing, I think the highest that one of my auctions closed at was $120. Finland, which is my home country as the previous poster correctly pointed out, is a remote country that seems to scare people away... So I'm sure that if, for example, one of the few Americans I sold the game to have auctioned it off they are sure to have received more.

Mail me if you have any further questions...

Over and out,

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