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Post Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:04 pm
I think I've identified one more tune, based on the former description of the very first ripped pack. This time is a nursery rhyme:

-The former 7db4d (now #179) had the Good Friday description between parentheses. It happens to exist a Good Friday nursery rhyme related to Good Friday and Easter time: Hot Cross Buns. The similarity is obvious from the seventh note on beyond ("one a penny, two a penny, hot cross buns") when comparing it with the following examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re3gXNTtwig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Cross_Buns

https://youtu.be/e-XuQUNusAI?t=46
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Post Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:58 pm
Last edited by Ron_Stard on Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:48 pm; edited 1 time in total
And by chance, I underwent the "alphabet test" to Rod Stewart, and...

https://youtu.be/zQ41hqlV0Kk?t=64

You can find Young Turks at #142. It was the former 7d4d5.
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Post Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:41 pm
One more song, this time a little bit tricky:

#103 (the former 7c95e) seems to be Here I Go Again, by The Hollies:

https://youtu.be/M-EXoVaeSho?t=42

To reach that conclusion, I underwent the alphabet test to Clive Westlake, one of the Dusty Springfield composers (she sang several songs already identified in the VGM pack). Since this song was a hit in the UK -and except for the tunes which belong to musicals or movies, every song on the "pop" list of the pack was a chart hit in the UK-, and also fits with the still unknown songs related to alphabet order, I can assure this song is the one we are looking for.

I know: the excerpt in the pack is in a high pitch, not very well arranged, but the number of notes are exactly the same.

By the way, it was composed by Clive Westlake and Mort Shuman.
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Post Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:15 pm
I agree with all of these, thanks! The updated pack (0.94) is at the link on the first post.

Note that the questions are all in the Notes field of the GD3 tags, giving some clues:

6 is "from" Shakespeare's The Tempest (I'm fairly sure that has no songs in it)
19 is Welsh
20 is was played by Mozart at the age of 4
22 is 13th century
23 is 19th century
44 is Chopin
53 is a madrigal
62 is Bruce Springsteen(?)
67 is Grieg and related to Norway
105 is another Hollies song, starting with H or I
108 is an Elvis song with a title between "IF" and "IL"
136 is by Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas and starts with "T" - in fact, I just identified it as "Trains and Boats and Planes", it's anther Burt Bacharach song
198 is a tango...
203 is a workers lament about redundancy from the 1930s
The other 14 unidentified tracks have no clues as no question uses them...

Notes can be read at http://www.smspower.org/Music/TrivialPursuit-SMS-Playlist if you want to see them all at once.
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:56 am
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105 is another Hollies song, starting with H or I


Yeah! It's I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top! The "Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young" clue from the original VGM pack was driving me nuts, until I saw the clue in the playlist! What a relief!

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136 is by Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas and starts with "T" - in fact, I just identified it as "Trains and Boats and Planes", it's anther Burt Bacharach song


Yes, its that song. You forgot to include its name in the playlist.

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108 is an Elvis song with a title between "IF" and "IL"


Hmmmm... If that song was a hit, I overlooked it back in the day, when I tested every possible Elvis song. Perhaps was a single that did not chart in UK. Or perhaps it's a hit which starts with "IF" or "IL" between parentheses... I'll check again.

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6 is "from" Shakespeare's The Tempest (I'm fairly sure that has no songs in it)


Something funny happens with The Tempest and its relationship with music: it turns out that this is the Shakespeare's most adapted to music Theatre Play of all his catalogue. There's a lot of classical music songs and opera plays that were inspired by this shipwreck tale.

Back in the day, I tried to compare its VGM excerpt with Where The Bee Sucks There Suck I, which is the most famous piece of music inspired by The Tempest: I've found the similarities very vague and too much forced, so I supposed it is not the song we're looking for. I didn't try with other incidental music, since, as I mentioned, there's too much pieces inspired by it. But I'll check other possibilities when I have enough spare time.
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:09 am
Last edited by Ron_Stard on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:53 pm; edited 1 time in total
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19 is Welsh


A SMS Power member (named Tom) wrote some months ago that he thought this song was Hush, Little Baby, even though that's not a British song. Since Trivial Pursuit (the board game) is full of red herrings, mistakes and urban myths that turn out to be false, perhaps this is one of those cases, and thus, this song was believed back in the day to be a Welsh/British song. Perhaps only recent research has come to the conclusion that this was a common belief, but not true.

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20 is was played by Mozart at the age of 4


Another case of probable mistake/urban myth: no work from Mozart at that age seems similar to this excerpt. Perhaps belongs to another musician.

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67 is Grieg and related to Norway


An user of another forum told me he thought this was from Mendelssohn's A Midsummer Night's Dream (concretely, the Scherzo). Who knows?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJs4KkUxN2Y&t=711s
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:08 pm
The mystery Elvis track is most likely a name like "I H...". I expect these were 8.3 filenames giving this ordering, so it would not consider spaces. It might also have an unofficial name (e.g. most songs use the first line or chorus as the title, but many don't) making it hard to find in a list.

Edit: Elvis songs with the right names:

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I Forgot to Remember to Forget Charlie Feathers, Stan Kesler 1955 A Date with Elvis
I Got a Feelin' in My Body Dennis Linde 1973 Good Times
I Got a Woman Ray Charles, Renald Richard 1956 Elvis Presley
I Got Lucky Fred Wise, Dolores Fuller, Ben Weisman 1961 I Got Lucky
I Got Stung Aaron Schroeder, David Hill 1958 50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong – Elvis' Gold Records Volume 2
I Gotta Know Paul Evans, Matt Williams 1960 Elvis' Golden Records Volume 3
I Hear a Sweet Voice Calling Bill Monroe 1956 The Complete Million Dollar Session
I Just Can't Help Believin' Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil 1970 That's the Way It Is
I Just Can't Make It by Myself Clara Ward 1956 The Complete Million Dollar Session

I can't bring myself to listen to them :) The man sang a lot of songs...
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:40 pm
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Elvis songs with the right names:

I Got Stung Aaron Schroeder, David Hill 1958 50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong – Elvis' Gold Records Volume 2


That should be, and in fact, IT IS, but only if we compare the VGM excerpt with the "a-ha-ha, yeah" mumbling, just after the chorus. Listen:

https://youtu.be/FvmLT1UBOxM?t=24

I discarded this song months ago due to the fact that the chorus obviously doesn't match with the excerpt, but I find it plausible now, since the playlist description says this song was the last The King recorded before join the Army, and that's exactly what Wikipedia says about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Got_Stung

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The man sang a lot of songs...


Indeed! :D
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:13 pm
Ok, one more song identified (and one less to complete the full VGM pack):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcs9qMvpmcw

Beautiful! It turns out that this was indeed from Grieg, and not from Mendelssohn. So #67 (the former 5f495) is Norwegian Melody, Op. 12 No. 6, or simply Norwegian Melody, by Edvard Grieg.
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Post Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:28 pm
And now... Incredible! Another song from The King! I overlooked it before because of the extremely fast pace of the VGM excerpt, compared to the slow and soft speed of the actual song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMjWtohpShk

Loving You is the #119 on the playlist, and was the former 7ce96. Another jewel by the Leiber & Stoller duo.

According to the current research, the "pop" list looks like that:

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7c078 Otis Blackwell All Shook Up
7c0e0 Don Robertson Anything That's Part Of You
7c12b Cliff Owens; Aaron Schroeder Any Way You Want Me (That's How I Will Be)
7c175 Ray Davies Apeman
7c1aa Roy Turk; Lou Handman Are You Lonesome Tonight
7c1d4 Ray Davies Autumn Almanac
7c209 (unknown)
7c250 Gene Vincent Be-Bop-A-Lula
7c2c1 Carl Perkins Blue Suede Shoes
7c323 George Davis; John T. Taylor Boy From New York City
7c3a7 Doc Pomus; Mort Shuman Can't Get Used To Losing You
7c3d7 Jean-Paul-Égide Martini Plaisir D'Amour (Can't Help Falling In Love)
7c452 Wayne Shanklin Chanson D'Amour
7c48d Burt Bacharach; Hal David (They Long to Be) Close to You
7c4cd Ray Davies Days
7c4fb Ray Davies Dead End Street
7c52f Dave Davies; Ray Davies Death of a Clown
7c562 Ray Davies Dedicated Follower of Fashion
7c5c4 Bill Giant; Bernie Baum; Florence Kaye (You're the) Devil in Disguise
7c605 Jerry Leiber; Mike Stoller Don't
7c69a Otis Blackwell Don't Be Cruel
7c6f3 Mac Davis Don't Cry Daddy
7c751 Aaron Schroeder; Ben Weisman Don't Leave Me Now
7c797 (unknown)
7c7ea Harry Nilsson Everybody's Talking At Me
7c81c Eddie Cooley; Otis Blackwell Fever
7c85e Sam Bobrick; Beverly Ross The Girl of my Best Friend
7c8a3 Aaron Schroeder; Wally Gold Good Luck Charm
7c8e9 Ray Charles Hallelujah I Love Her So
7c95e Clive Westlake; Mort Shuman Here I Go Again
7c997 Doc Pomus; Mort Shuman (Marie's The Name) His Latest Flame
7c9e6 Guy Fletcher; Doug Flett I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top
7ca14 Clive Westlake I Close My Eyes and Count to Ten
7ca86 Walter Earl Brown If I Can Dream
7cb01 Aaron Schroeder; David Hill I Got Stung
7cb33 Burt Bacharach; Hal David I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself
7cb66 Bill Taylor; Stan Kesler I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone
7cba7 (unknown)
7cbdd Mac Davis In the Ghetto
7cc14 Jerry Leiber; Mike Stoller Jailhouse Rock
7cc7b Jerry Leiber; Mike Stoller King Creole
7ccb3 Ray Davies Lola
7cd3c Sheldon Harnick; Jerry Bock If I Were A Rich Man
7ce1d John Kander Cabaret [Life Is A]
7ce62 George R. Poulton Aura Lea (Love Me Tender)
7ce96 Jerry Leiber; Mike Stoller Loving You
7cedd Jerry Bock Matchmaker, Matchmaker
7cf30 (unknown)
7cf78 Marguerite Monnot; Georges Moustaki Milord
7cfab John Kander Money
7cfe1 (unknown)
7d02b Junior Parker Mystery Train
7d088 Winfield Scott; Otis Blackwell Return To Sender
7d0e2 (unknown)
7d159 Giancarlo Bigazzi; Riccardo Del Turco; Jack Fishman Luglio (Something's Happening)
7d1a8 Bert Kaempfert Moon Over Naples (Blue Spanish Eyes)
7d1e8 Jerry Leiber; Phil Spector Spanish Harlem
7d233 Ray Davies Sunny Afternoon
7d271 Kal Mann; Bernie Lowe (Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear
7d2c6 Arthur Crudup That's All Right
7d30a Ray Davies 'Till The End Of The Day
7d343 Rod Stewart; Jim Cregan; Kevin Savigar Tonight I'm Yours
7d37c Burt Bacharach; Hal David Trains And Boats And Planes
7d3b4 Burt Bacharach Walk On By
7d3ff Ray Davies Waterloo Sunset
7d439 Burt Bacharach What the World Needs Now Is Love
7d46e (unknown)
7d49f Fred Wise; Ben Weisman; Kay Tworney; Bert Kaempfert Wooden Heart
7d4d5 Rod Stewart Young Turks
7d507 Umberto Bindi; Gino Paoli You're My World (Il Mio Mondo)


And another discovery:

The Chopin tune (#44) is the Nocturne no. 19, Op. 72, No. 1 in E minor. (from 1:03 on beyond on the following link):

https://youtu.be/3iH1ONnXrdY?t=63

Well, there are only seven "pop" songs left, plus 15 more unidentified yet for a total of 22 still unknown. Not bad!

I will try to identify the most feasible unknown tunes: the Ariel song from The Tempest (#6), and maybe the alleged and elusive Mozart minuet (#20). But I think I couldn't help much more with the rest, because I've tried everything and asked everyone for help with no more positive results.

Nevertheless, here are some places which could be of great help, in case someone wants to take some time hitting and missing:

-There's two sites which hosts info about Welsh nursery rhymes, which may help us with #19:

https://www.meithrin.cymru/project-nursery-rhymes/
http://welshnurseryrhymes.wales/Gartref

-There's some sites which compiles British chart hits from the 20s, 30s and 40s, and maybe there we can find the name of the "workers lament" that sits on #203:

https://www.retrowaste.com/1930s/music-in-the-1930s/
http://www.musicvf.com/top_songs_of_the_1930s
http://tsort.info/music/ds1930.htm

-And finally, for the seven remaining pop tunes, we have this: a site which allows to enclose the span of years and every UK hit which starts with a certain chain of characters, no matter how long it is. Could be useful to guess the rest of the alphabetical hits:

http://www.everyhit.com/index.html

Ah, one last thing! I wonder if we could ask directly to Matt Furniss for help, since he was the composer :D
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Updated pack version 0.95 is now available at http://www.smspower.org/Music/TrivialPursuit-SMS
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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:35 pm
Maxim wrote
Updated pack version 0.95 is now available at http://www.smspower.org/Music/TrivialPursuit-SMS.


Seems that the link is wrong (due to the final dot). Also, the pack is not updated.

I know that it doesn't follow the "alphabet rule", but #124 (the former 7cfe1) sounds similar to "Don't Bring Me Down" by the Electric Light Orchestra (ELO):

https://youtu.be/C0jb9zWd4n4?t=14
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