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||Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:04 pm|
I think I've identified one more tune, based on the former description of the very first ripped pack. This time is a nursery rhyme:
-The former 7db4d (now #179) had the Good Friday description between parentheses. It happens to exist a Good Friday nursery rhyme related to Good Friday and Easter time: Hot Cross Buns. The similarity is obvious from the seventh note on beyond ("one a penny, two a penny, hot cross buns") when comparing it with the following examples:
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:58 pm
Last edited by Ron_Stard on Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:48 pm; edited 1 time in total
And by chance, I underwent the "alphabet test" to Rod Stewart, and...
You can find Young Turks at #142. It was the former 7d4d5.
||Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:41 pm|
One more song, this time a little bit tricky:
#103 (the former 7c95e) seems to be Here I Go Again, by The Hollies:
To reach that conclusion, I underwent the alphabet test to Clive Westlake, one of the Dusty Springfield composers (she sang several songs already identified in the VGM pack). Since this song was a hit in the UK -and except for the tunes which belong to musicals or movies, every song on the "pop" list of the pack was a chart hit in the UK-, and also fits with the still unknown songs related to alphabet order, I can assure this song is the one we are looking for.
I know: the excerpt in the pack is in a high pitch, not very well arranged, but the number of notes are exactly the same.
By the way, it was composed by Clive Westlake and Mort Shuman.
||Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:15 pm|
I agree with all of these, thanks! The updated pack (0.94) is at the link on the first post.
Note that the questions are all in the Notes field of the GD3 tags, giving some clues:
6 is "from" Shakespeare's The Tempest (I'm fairly sure that has no songs in it)
19 is Welsh
20 is was played by Mozart at the age of 4
22 is 13th century
23 is 19th century
44 is Chopin
53 is a madrigal
62 is Bruce Springsteen(?)
67 is Grieg and related to Norway
105 is another Hollies song, starting with H or I
108 is an Elvis song with a title between "IF" and "IL"
136 is by Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas and starts with "T" - in fact, I just identified it as "Trains and Boats and Planes", it's anther Burt Bacharach song
198 is a tango...
203 is a workers lament about redundancy from the 1930s
The other 14 unidentified tracks have no clues as no question uses them...
Notes can be read at http://www.smspower.org/Music/TrivialPursuit-SMS-Playlist if you want to see them all at once.
||Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:56 am|
Yeah! It's I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top! The "Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young" clue from the original VGM pack was driving me nuts, until I saw the clue in the playlist! What a relief!
Yes, its that song. You forgot to include its name in the playlist.
Hmmmm... If that song was a hit, I overlooked it back in the day, when I tested every possible Elvis song. Perhaps was a single that did not chart in UK. Or perhaps it's a hit which starts with "IF" or "IL" between parentheses... I'll check again.
Something funny happens with The Tempest and its relationship with music: it turns out that this is the Shakespeare's most adapted to music Theatre Play of all his catalogue. There's a lot of classical music songs and opera plays that were inspired by this shipwreck tale.
Back in the day, I tried to compare its VGM excerpt with Where The Bee Sucks There Suck I, which is the most famous piece of music inspired by The Tempest: I've found the similarities very vague and too much forced, so I supposed it is not the song we're looking for. I didn't try with other incidental music, since, as I mentioned, there's too much pieces inspired by it. But I'll check other possibilities when I have enough spare time.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:09 am
Last edited by Ron_Stard on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:53 pm; edited 1 time in total
A SMS Power member (named Tom) wrote some months ago that he thought this song was Hush, Little Baby, even though that's not a British song. Since Trivial Pursuit (the board game) is full of red herrings, mistakes and urban myths that turn out to be false, perhaps this is one of those cases, and thus, this song was believed back in the day to be a Welsh/British song. Perhaps only recent research has come to the conclusion that this was a common belief, but not true.
Another case of probable mistake/urban myth: no work from Mozart at that age seems similar to this excerpt. Perhaps belongs to another musician.
An user of another forum told me he thought this was from Mendelssohn's A Midsummer Night's Dream (concretely, the Scherzo). Who knows?:
||Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:08 pm|
The mystery Elvis track is most likely a name like "I H...". I expect these were 8.3 filenames giving this ordering, so it would not consider spaces. It might also have an unofficial name (e.g. most songs use the first line or chorus as the title, but many don't) making it hard to find in a list.
Edit: Elvis songs with the right names:
I can't bring myself to listen to them :) The man sang a lot of songs...
||Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:40 pm|
That should be, and in fact, IT IS, but only if we compare the VGM excerpt with the "a-ha-ha, yeah" mumbling, just after the chorus. Listen:
I discarded this song months ago due to the fact that the chorus obviously doesn't match with the excerpt, but I find it plausible now, since the playlist description says this song was the last The King recorded before join the Army, and that's exactly what Wikipedia says about it:
||Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:13 pm|
Ok, one more song identified (and one less to complete the full VGM pack):
Beautiful! It turns out that this was indeed from Grieg, and not from Mendelssohn. So #67 (the former 5f495) is Norwegian Melody, Op. 12 No. 6, or simply Norwegian Melody, by Edvard Grieg.
||Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:28 pm|
And now... Incredible! Another song from The King! I overlooked it before because of the extremely fast pace of the VGM excerpt, compared to the slow and soft speed of the actual song:
Loving You is the #119 on the playlist, and was the former 7ce96. Another jewel by the Leiber & Stoller duo.
According to the current research, the "pop" list looks like that:
And another discovery:
The Chopin tune (#44) is the Nocturne no. 19, Op. 72, No. 1 in E minor. (from 1:03 on beyond on the following link):
Well, there are only seven "pop" songs left, plus 15 more unidentified yet for a total of 22 still unknown. Not bad!
I will try to identify the most feasible unknown tunes: the Ariel song from The Tempest (#6), and maybe the alleged and elusive Mozart minuet (#20). But I think I couldn't help much more with the rest, because I've tried everything and asked everyone for help with no more positive results.
Nevertheless, here are some places which could be of great help, in case someone wants to take some time hitting and missing:
-There's two sites which hosts info about Welsh nursery rhymes, which may help us with #19:
-There's some sites which compiles British chart hits from the 20s, 30s and 40s, and maybe there we can find the name of the "workers lament" that sits on #203:
-And finally, for the seven remaining pop tunes, we have this: a site which allows to enclose the span of years and every UK hit which starts with a certain chain of characters, no matter how long it is. Could be useful to guess the rest of the alphabetical hits:
Ah, one last thing! I wonder if we could ask directly to Matt Furniss for help, since he was the composer :D
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:24 pm
Last edited by Maxim on Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
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||Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:35 pm|
Seems that the link is wrong (due to the final dot). Also, the pack is not updated.
I know that it doesn't follow the "alphabet rule", but #124 (the former 7cfe1) sounds similar to "Don't Bring Me Down" by the Electric Light Orchestra (ELO):
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